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"compelling message for the working class" They have a compelling message for the working class. It's a message of contempt and hate. The long marriage of the

"compelling message for the working class" They have a compelling message for the working class. It's a message of contempt and hate. The long marriage of the working class and Democrats has ended and it wasn't the working class that walked out the door. The Democrats are down to the comfortable professional class preening its "values" and a coalition of grievance groups. Everyone else is on the other side pulling back on the stick to stop the dive before we run out of altitude.

eli_gottlieb 10y ago
I don't see the Republican Party championing anything for the working class but death. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432796/working-class-whites-have-moral-responsibilities-defense-kevin-williamson http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432796/working-class-wh...
- mcbruiser1 10y ago
  how about bringing back manufacturing jobs for a start? how about deregulation so employers can hire more people? how about lowering taxes? how about enforcing legal immigration so that working class people stand a chance of getting a job?
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  - alpha_squared 10y ago
    > how about bringing back manufacturing jobs for a start? This isn't going to happen, at least not anytime soon, though there are attempts to try[0]. America doesn't have the infrastructure to bring back manufacturing things like the iPhone[1]. > how about deregulation so employers can hire more people? Deregulation of what exactly? What's the regulation that's prohibiting "hiring more people"? > how about lowering taxes? On who/what? Citizens? Corporations? What's fair? How do you increase military spending, then, if you lower taxes and are already slashing other budgets? [2] > how about enforcing legal immigration so that working class people stand a chance of getting a job? Can you provide examples of un-enforcement? As I understand it, most illegal immigration comes from people who immigrate legally on a green card that expires and just don't leave.[3] [0] https://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/17/made-in-america-iphones-foxconn/ https://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/17/made-in-america-iphones... [1] http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20120123/apples-jobs-to-obama-jobs-arent-coming-back-to-us http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20120123/apples-jobs-to-ob... (There are better sources out there) [2] http://www.npr.org/2017/03/16/520305293/trump-to-unveil-hard-power-budget-that-boosts-military-spending http://www.npr.org/2017/03/16/520305293/trump-to-unveil-hard... [3] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/03/homeland-security-produces-first-estimate-of-foreign-visitors-to-u-s-who-overstay-deadline-to-leave/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/03/homeland-sec...
    - mcbruiser1 10y ago
      I don't need to cite evidence for common sense. clearly you have none.
      - castis 10y ago
        This is almost the exact response I expected. You had a chance to inform someone on your position and instead you chose to personally attack their intelligence as though they were beneath you. This is the route an angry child would likely have chosen, is it not? Everyone that reads your response will likely assume that you didn't have anything to back up your ill-informed position on the matter. Having seen this frequently on the internet, I wonder if this is the reason your account is new.
        alpha_squared 10y ago
        I'm a little disappointed in the response, myself. I had hoped to diffuse the tension in the tone and simultaneously get insight into the perspective, though neither seemed to happened. This, unfortunately, leads me to wonder if people with such hostile perspectives are too proud to ever concede an argument (and thus admit they are wrong) or if they consider their understanding too superior and complex to explain to others if they don't already "get it". Both of which are signs of serious arrogance. How do we, as a society, move past these internal walls that keeps us from having meaningful dialogue?
    - castis 10y ago
      I have yet to see any sensible answers to these questions which I, too, have asked a few people. Judging by the tone in which the original statements were posed, I do not expect today to be any different.
    - maxerickson 10y ago
      In the context of healthcare, the shared responsibility provisions are often called job killing: https://www.irs.gov/affordable-care-act/employers/questions-and-answers-on-employer-shared-responsibility-provisions-under-the-affordable-care-act https://www.irs.gov/affordable-care-act/employers/questions-... It's more expensive to have 50 employees than 49. Also, a green card doesn't really expire, people overstay travel and work permits. A green card is for immigrants that have permanent permission to stay. Immigration policy certainly has lots of discretionary enforcement. DACA is a big example. I think it's reasonable and the right thing to do, but it is discretionary enforcement of immigration law.
  - HoppedUpMenace 10y ago
    So basically increase the cost of goods for everyone so more people can be employed at a higher wage? The Immigration you speak of is likely doing more good than bad, what American wants to work a low paying, back breaking job in the fields or in some factory where the second they complain, they are fired?
    - cnnsucks 10y ago
      "So basically increase the cost of goods for everyone so more people can be employed at a higher wage?" Whenever the topic happens to be energy higher costs are offered as proper penance.
- cnnsucks 10y ago
  If someone in establishment media wrote with such contempt for any aggrieved minority in the US, for instance the millions of black Americians that destroy themselves, their families and their communities with drugs, alcohol and aggressive anti-intellectualism, they'd be drummed out of the elite bubble as 'racist.' But you can shit on white trash if you want; the Internet will cite your hate for years when you single out those people. How brave.
  - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
    I'm not insulting anyone. I'm pointing out that the intellectual house-organ of the Republican Party is insulting people.
    - cnnsucks 10y ago
      You're waving around your favorite poor white trash hit piece, just like you haters have been doing since it was published.
taliesinb 10y ago
That is the correct analysis in my view. There was, in fact, an explicit policy decision in the 1970s to realign the Democratic party with the professional class. The party now stands for doctors and lawyers and tax analysts, and the like, well-heeled professionals of all stripes. Basically the 5%. Their ideology is now firmly neo-liberalism, meaning free market liberalism welded to shallow, cynical identity politics, exemplified by Cory Booker and his slimy collaboration with the nutcase Betsy DeVos. Hell, it's looking more and more likely a corporate stalking horse like Booker will end up being the 2020 presidential candidate. Iron law of institutions. It's so depressing.
maxxxxx 10y ago
Right on. No idea why you have been downvoted.
- cnnsucks 10y ago
  "comfortable professional class"
  - maxxxxx 10y ago
    In what way is that offensive?
    - cnnsucks 10y ago
      The "comfortable professional class" doesn't like having their contempt and hate called out, so they mod down their critics.

eli_gottlieb 10y ago

I don't see the Republican Party championing anything for the working class but death. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432796/working-class-whites-have-moral-responsibilities-defense-kevin-williamson http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432796/working-class-wh...

mcbruiser1 10y ago
how about bringing back manufacturing jobs for a start? how about deregulation so employers can hire more people? how about lowering taxes? how about enforcing legal immigration so that working class people stand a chance of getting a job?
- deleted 10y ago
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- alpha_squared 10y ago
  > how about bringing back manufacturing jobs for a start? This isn't going to happen, at least not anytime soon, though there are attempts to try[0]. America doesn't have the infrastructure to bring back manufacturing things like the iPhone[1]. > how about deregulation so employers can hire more people? Deregulation of what exactly? What's the regulation that's prohibiting "hiring more people"? > how about lowering taxes? On who/what? Citizens? Corporations? What's fair? How do you increase military spending, then, if you lower taxes and are already slashing other budgets? [2] > how about enforcing legal immigration so that working class people stand a chance of getting a job? Can you provide examples of un-enforcement? As I understand it, most illegal immigration comes from people who immigrate legally on a green card that expires and just don't leave.[3] [0] https://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/17/made-in-america-iphones-foxconn/ https://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/17/made-in-america-iphones... [1] http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20120123/apples-jobs-to-obama-jobs-arent-coming-back-to-us http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20120123/apples-jobs-to-ob... (There are better sources out there) [2] http://www.npr.org/2017/03/16/520305293/trump-to-unveil-hard-power-budget-that-boosts-military-spending http://www.npr.org/2017/03/16/520305293/trump-to-unveil-hard... [3] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/03/homeland-security-produces-first-estimate-of-foreign-visitors-to-u-s-who-overstay-deadline-to-leave/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/03/homeland-sec...
  - mcbruiser1 10y ago
    I don't need to cite evidence for common sense. clearly you have none.
    - castis 10y ago
      This is almost the exact response I expected. You had a chance to inform someone on your position and instead you chose to personally attack their intelligence as though they were beneath you. This is the route an angry child would likely have chosen, is it not? Everyone that reads your response will likely assume that you didn't have anything to back up your ill-informed position on the matter. Having seen this frequently on the internet, I wonder if this is the reason your account is new.
      - alpha_squared 10y ago
        I'm a little disappointed in the response, myself. I had hoped to diffuse the tension in the tone and simultaneously get insight into the perspective, though neither seemed to happened. This, unfortunately, leads me to wonder if people with such hostile perspectives are too proud to ever concede an argument (and thus admit they are wrong) or if they consider their understanding too superior and complex to explain to others if they don't already "get it". Both of which are signs of serious arrogance. How do we, as a society, move past these internal walls that keeps us from having meaningful dialogue?
  - castis 10y ago
    I have yet to see any sensible answers to these questions which I, too, have asked a few people. Judging by the tone in which the original statements were posed, I do not expect today to be any different.
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    In the context of healthcare, the shared responsibility provisions are often called job killing: https://www.irs.gov/affordable-care-act/employers/questions-and-answers-on-employer-shared-responsibility-provisions-under-the-affordable-care-act https://www.irs.gov/affordable-care-act/employers/questions-... It's more expensive to have 50 employees than 49. Also, a green card doesn't really expire, people overstay travel and work permits. A green card is for immigrants that have permanent permission to stay. Immigration policy certainly has lots of discretionary enforcement. DACA is a big example. I think it's reasonable and the right thing to do, but it is discretionary enforcement of immigration law.
- HoppedUpMenace 10y ago
  So basically increase the cost of goods for everyone so more people can be employed at a higher wage? The Immigration you speak of is likely doing more good than bad, what American wants to work a low paying, back breaking job in the fields or in some factory where the second they complain, they are fired?
  - cnnsucks 10y ago
    "So basically increase the cost of goods for everyone so more people can be employed at a higher wage?" Whenever the topic happens to be energy higher costs are offered as proper penance.
cnnsucks 10y ago
If someone in establishment media wrote with such contempt for any aggrieved minority in the US, for instance the millions of black Americians that destroy themselves, their families and their communities with drugs, alcohol and aggressive anti-intellectualism, they'd be drummed out of the elite bubble as 'racist.' But you can shit on white trash if you want; the Internet will cite your hate for years when you single out those people. How brave.
- eli_gottlieb 10y ago
  I'm not insulting anyone. I'm pointing out that the intellectual house-organ of the Republican Party is insulting people.
  - cnnsucks 10y ago
    You're waving around your favorite poor white trash hit piece, just like you haters have been doing since it was published.

taliesinb 10y ago

That is the correct analysis in my view. There was, in fact, an explicit policy decision in the 1970s to realign the Democratic party with the professional class. The party now stands for doctors and lawyers and tax analysts, and the like, well-heeled professionals of all stripes. Basically the 5%. Their ideology is now firmly neo-liberalism, meaning free market liberalism welded to shallow, cynical identity politics, exemplified by Cory Booker and his slimy collaboration with the nutcase Betsy DeVos. Hell, it's looking more and more likely a corporate stalking horse like Booker will end up being the 2020 presidential candidate. Iron law of institutions. It's so depressing.

maxxxxx 10y ago

Right on. No idea why you have been downvoted.

cnnsucks 10y ago
"comfortable professional class"
- maxxxxx 10y ago
  In what way is that offensive?
  - cnnsucks 10y ago
    The "comfortable professional class" doesn't like having their contempt and hate called out, so they mod down their critics.