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I don't think people had faith that these issues were actually what the Dems wanted to go after if they'd have won. Many of these only became talking points fo

by jressey 10y ago

I don't think people had faith that these issues were actually what the Dems wanted to go after if they'd have won. Many of these only became talking points for the establishment once it became apparent that Bernie was a threat to them. It's definitely fair to say a large share of Trump voters went with their emotions as you said, but I think a lot of folks didn't believe Hillary would enact a progressive policy. If you look back to when she established herself as a politician in the 90s-00s (I'm being generous here), most of those issues were not what she was championing. To someone that doesn't vote with their lizard brain, it's clear that establishment Dems have the wealthy as their #1, just like the GOP. That's the problem.

thehardsphere 10y ago
> but I think a lot of folks didn't believe Hillary would enact a progressive policy. Maybe a lot of liberal folks thought that. I think there were many Trump voters who assumed that she would and they didn't want to see the country go further in that direction, and some of those voters would have preferred staying home to voting for Trump if they thought it wasn't necessary to vote for Trump to stop the country going further left. This might fall under "lizard-brain" but you can see it in the kind of more-apocalyptic-than-usual rhetoric many people were using, e.g. "this is the Flight 93 election!!!" People saying that sort of crap aren't going to be feeling the Bern.
- LordKano 10y ago
  I was a reluctant Trump voter. I didn't so much vote for Trump as against Hillary. I wouldn't have voted for Bernie either but I would have been more likely to follow my initial desire to case a protest vote for a third party candidate.
faet 10y ago
>If you look back to when she established herself as a politician in the 90s-00s (I'm being generous here), most of those issues were not what she was championing. She pushed Universal Healthcare in 93.
akhilcacharya 10y ago
> Many of these only became talking points for the establishment once it became apparent that Bernie was a threat to them. Those are issues that Obama ran on twice... >but I think a lot of folks didn't believe Hillary would enact a progressive policy. Did they not realize the alternative?
- jressey 10y ago
  > Those are issues that Obama ran on twice... And then completely failed to enact or really even push (outside of ACA which I acknowledge as an improvement). > Did they not realize the alternative? They sure liked her in primary season despite plenty of evidence she was weaker against Trump.

by jressey 10y ago

thehardsphere 10y ago

> but I think a lot of folks didn't believe Hillary would enact a progressive policy. Maybe a lot of liberal folks thought that. I think there were many Trump voters who assumed that she would and they didn't want to see the country go further in that direction, and some of those voters would have preferred staying home to voting for Trump if they thought it wasn't necessary to vote for Trump to stop the country going further left. This might fall under "lizard-brain" but you can see it in the kind of more-apocalyptic-than-usual rhetoric many people were using, e.g. "this is the Flight 93 election!!!" People saying that sort of crap aren't going to be feeling the Bern.

LordKano 10y ago
I was a reluctant Trump voter. I didn't so much vote for Trump as against Hillary. I wouldn't have voted for Bernie either but I would have been more likely to follow my initial desire to case a protest vote for a third party candidate.

faet 10y ago

>If you look back to when she established herself as a politician in the 90s-00s (I'm being generous here), most of those issues were not what she was championing. She pushed Universal Healthcare in 93.

akhilcacharya 10y ago

> Many of these only became talking points for the establishment once it became apparent that Bernie was a threat to them. Those are issues that Obama ran on twice... >but I think a lot of folks didn't believe Hillary would enact a progressive policy. Did they not realize the alternative?

jressey 10y ago
> Those are issues that Obama ran on twice... And then completely failed to enact or really even push (outside of ACA which I acknowledge as an improvement). > Did they not realize the alternative? They sure liked her in primary season despite plenty of evidence she was weaker against Trump.