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Is your argument that ICE has data they're not supposed to have? Part of ICE's job is to enforce immigration rules. Let's work on your analogy here: > Imagine
by ng12 10y ago
Is your argument that ICE has data they're not supposed to have? Part of ICE's job is to enforce immigration rules. Let's work on your analogy here:
> Imagine if the local police were able to use CIA records, including phone and location data, to prosecute you for, say stealing a car.
Imagine if the local police were able to use their plate reader software to identify and prosecute people who had stolen cars?
- mikeash 10y agoRight, ICE's job is to enforce immigration rules, so they're getting phone and location records from the CIA without a warrant, and that's OK because...? Police are allowed to use license plate readers because that's considered to be in public view. Since the CIA is separate from both ICE and the local police, let's just use CIA in the analogy too.
- ng12 10y ago> ICE's job is to enforce immigration rules, so they're getting phone and location records from the CIA without a warrant Do you have a source for this? It's not clear to me that this is the case -- and if it is we are totally screwed whether Palantir is involved or not.
- mikeash 10y agoMaybe I'm assuming too much, but given the broad language and complete lack of mention of judicial oversight, it seems like it. This document about how ICE uses ICM, a similar system that works with data from other agencies, only mentions warrants in the context of the database holding information about them, or certain information in the database being obtained using them: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/privacy-pia-ice-icm-june2016.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/privacy...