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The Bay Area needs to re-think traffic. Perhaps the hyperloop isn't so much needed between two already congested cities, but between lots of rural areas that ca

The Bay Area needs to re-think traffic. Perhaps the hyperloop isn't so much needed between two already congested cities, but between lots of rural areas that can feed into congested cities. Live 5 hours (by car) from the BA and get there by hyperloop in 25 minutes.

chinathrow 10y ago
> Live 5 hours (by car) from the BA and get there by hyperloop in 25 minutes. And after n years, the place where you start your voyage within the hyperloop is becoming another huge city of its own.
- Cerium 10y ago
  Sounds great, we can have lots of popular, busy, prosperous, well connected cities?
hapless 10y ago
Cost and congestion are driven by the commuting time to job centers. If Bakersfield becomes a bedroom community for San Francisco with a 25 minute commute, you can count on Bakersfield housing prices converging on Bay Area costs. This is probably a net win for the community of Bakersfield, but it may not change things very much for you as a pre-existing worker in San Francisco.
- hyperbovine 10y ago
  How much time have you spent in Bakersfield?
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  Increasing the effective commute radius into the Bay Area such that property ownership and rental prices were driven up in the new commuter towns would also reduce the upward pressure on prices in the Bay Area and it's existing commuter towns.
  - hapless 10y ago
    Good point. Convergence of prices is a big win if it means the "center" stops rising so quickly.
- make3 10y ago
  the point is that if you open up the bay area to enough transportation options, the prices should go down / stop rising
dragonwriter 10y ago
Aside from the "hyperloop" part, the idea that an important consideration of transit planning is connecting urban centers with surrounding suburban and rural areas to support commuting, exchange of goods, etc., is hardly novel; it's fairly central to transit planning everywhere, including the Bay Area (and including projects like California High Speed Rail, whose initial operating segment will link Central Valley communities to Silicon Valley.)

chinathrow 10y ago

> Live 5 hours (by car) from the BA and get there by hyperloop in 25 minutes. And after n years, the place where you start your voyage within the hyperloop is becoming another huge city of its own.

Cerium 10y ago
Sounds great, we can have lots of popular, busy, prosperous, well connected cities?

hapless 10y ago

Cost and congestion are driven by the commuting time to job centers. If Bakersfield becomes a bedroom community for San Francisco with a 25 minute commute, you can count on Bakersfield housing prices converging on Bay Area costs. This is probably a net win for the community of Bakersfield, but it may not change things very much for you as a pre-existing worker in San Francisco.

hyperbovine 10y ago
How much time have you spent in Bakersfield?
dragonwriter 10y ago
Increasing the effective commute radius into the Bay Area such that property ownership and rental prices were driven up in the new commuter towns would also reduce the upward pressure on prices in the Bay Area and it's existing commuter towns.
- hapless 10y ago
  Good point. Convergence of prices is a big win if it means the "center" stops rising so quickly.
make3 10y ago
the point is that if you open up the bay area to enough transportation options, the prices should go down / stop rising

dragonwriter 10y ago

Aside from the "hyperloop" part, the idea that an important consideration of transit planning is connecting urban centers with surrounding suburban and rural areas to support commuting, exchange of goods, etc., is hardly novel; it's fairly central to transit planning everywhere, including the Bay Area (and including projects like California High Speed Rail, whose initial operating segment will link Central Valley communities to Silicon Valley.)