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or just install cemu ... I will not buy a console, waste material in order to play ONE game. This is an old model and should be banned. This make some much elec

or just install cemu ... I will not buy a console, waste material in order to play ONE game. This is an old model and should be banned. This make some much electronic waste. I like how playstation made their switch and now with "playstation now" you will be able to play from PC. This is a revolution, Nintendo even with all the fame will lose the game.

skrebbel 10y ago
Fair point, but you're assuming everybody has an up to date gaming PC and wants to keep investing in keeping it up to date. I think the Switch is particularly targeted at non-hardcore-gamers.
- Sorreah 10y ago
  Not right now. I'd argue with only a handful of casual game ports, and no sport games, that requires a 300 eurodollar investment (as opposed to 200 for a PS4/XBone), it's not a casual gamer's console. Actually it would only make sense as a purchase right now if you're a hardcore game dying to play Zelda.
  - wcummings 10y ago
    "Hardcore" gamers play Zelda? I thought they were too busy playing LoL and other "competitive" games and screaming at each other like children.
- madshiva 10y ago
  You can have an PS4 too, not only PC. You can be an hardcore gamers too but buying the console for one game it's for me too much waste. I made this mistake with gran turismo on PS3... I have only the PS3 for Gran Turismo and clearly was a waste. I can understand the hype over Zelda but like many of other game because of his content that is cheap, boring start to degrade now. See the live streaming on youtube, almost every youtube guy that stream is on the end. Two weeks after. In 1 months we will not talk more about Zelda.
danielbln 10y ago
- it will take quite a while until you'll be able to play BotW via CEMU w/o any bugs - can't take a playstation on the train/plane/subway/car - can't stream Playstation Now on the train/plane/subway/car If this iteration of Nintendo's console would have a been your standard home console, I wouldn't have bought it. It being a hybrid made me pull the trigger, and I'm sure I'm not alone there.
shuntress 10y ago
I think you will produce less waste by replacing a Nintendo console every ~5 years than by replacing a CPU/graphics card(maybe motherboard+ram) every ~5 years. The switch is smaller than my current graphics card. The switch + ALL of its accessories is (rough estimate) slightly less material than what is inside my PC case. Certainly far less electronics. Most of the Switch accessories are just plastic. edit: If the one metric you want to maximize (or minimize) is electronic waste, the ONLY device you should own is a high-end smartphone that you carefully maintain so that you can replace it only after at least triple its expected (2 year) lifetime.
- madshiva 10y ago
  Ok, but there's a lot of accessory therefor that need to be counted. Totally true about smartphone but I have replying about buying one console for one game, if you have plenty of game, why not but for one game it's a waste for me and this model of exclusivity fail. Why I would buy the copy of an old game for the same price? come-on! I pay once, and I own the game not matter the support! Plastic are a big waste. Most of my computers made 10 years or more, always find someone that need one, or a part that can be reused. No need for new GF every year...
  - shuntress 10y ago
    I agree that with the current library of games on the Switch it functions more as a single-use device which does make it vastly more wasteful. But the expectation is that new software will be developed for it going forward. Plus the more modular nature of the components/accessories means that it is possible (though unlikely) that upgrades for different components may be made on a module-by-module basis. Which translates to less waste overall. In terms of computers/consoles made 10+ years ago I think the same comparisons still apply. There are plenty of old consoles still in use today. Though old consoles were certainly less modular than old PCs.
- robotpony 10y ago
  No need to replace your console either, they tend to last for ages. We still play our Game Cube and N64 regularly (as well as Wii/Wii U), so total lifetime is pretty huge. It's enjoyable to play these old systems, where a video card isn't really that interesting 5 years later.
syphilis2 10y ago
I've been playing Zelda on CEMU and my advice to anyone who actually wants to play BotW is to not even bother with the emulator outside of morbid curiosity. A few of the glitches in the game: - Water doesn't exist, you just walk on the bottom of lakebeds, all the fish behave as if they're on dry land - Magnesis and Stasis do not work (but you can just walk underwater to get to those chests) - The game locks up often, typically during auto-saves - Graphical glitches, big cyan and magenta polygons, flicker constantly on screen - All humanoid characters, including Link, sink about halfway into the ground - Animals will randomly disappear, AI behaves weird around the non-existent water - Frame rate is extremely troubled - You can't beat many of the shrines, including the first few, so you need a save file to escape the first area So imagine trying to play through the shrines without Magnesis or Stasis. What do you do? The game itself is actually pretty flexible: instead of lifting metal boxes and spheres you can use bombs to knock them in the direction you need. You can use arrows and other weapons to knock around far away objects. Still, many shrines are impassable. CEMU is not anywhere close to a substitute for the console, and it will be months to years before it has the same accuracy as say Dolphin.
- CoolGuySteve 10y ago
  BotW just came out and the Cemu people are actively working on it according to their patreon. To compare, I've been playing Super Mario 3D World at 4K and it's gorgeous. It looks and performs far better than the Wii U version once you install a precompiled shader cache. So while BotW is currently unplayable on Cemu, I suspect that won't be the case in 6 months or so.
  - goda90 10y ago
    Has anyone gotten nintendo controllers to work in Cemu? I have a Wii U and most games I'd want already, but the idea of 4K intrigues me.
    - CoolGuySteve 10y ago
      I think right now the answer is no, the controller might work through Bluetooth but the screen doesn't forward. You have to hit a key to change the main output window to show what would be on the controller's screen. I personally always thought the screen on the controller was dumb, I owned a Dreamcast and thought it was annoying then, so it didn't bother me. But you might feel different.

skrebbel 10y ago

Fair point, but you're assuming everybody has an up to date gaming PC and wants to keep investing in keeping it up to date. I think the Switch is particularly targeted at non-hardcore-gamers.

Sorreah 10y ago
Not right now. I'd argue with only a handful of casual game ports, and no sport games, that requires a 300 eurodollar investment (as opposed to 200 for a PS4/XBone), it's not a casual gamer's console. Actually it would only make sense as a purchase right now if you're a hardcore game dying to play Zelda.
- wcummings 10y ago
  "Hardcore" gamers play Zelda? I thought they were too busy playing LoL and other "competitive" games and screaming at each other like children.
madshiva 10y ago
You can have an PS4 too, not only PC. You can be an hardcore gamers too but buying the console for one game it's for me too much waste. I made this mistake with gran turismo on PS3... I have only the PS3 for Gran Turismo and clearly was a waste. I can understand the hype over Zelda but like many of other game because of his content that is cheap, boring start to degrade now. See the live streaming on youtube, almost every youtube guy that stream is on the end. Two weeks after. In 1 months we will not talk more about Zelda.

danielbln 10y ago

- it will take quite a while until you'll be able to play BotW via CEMU w/o any bugs - can't take a playstation on the train/plane/subway/car - can't stream Playstation Now on the train/plane/subway/car If this iteration of Nintendo's console would have a been your standard home console, I wouldn't have bought it. It being a hybrid made me pull the trigger, and I'm sure I'm not alone there.

shuntress 10y ago

I think you will produce less waste by replacing a Nintendo console every ~5 years than by replacing a CPU/graphics card(maybe motherboard+ram) every ~5 years. The switch is smaller than my current graphics card. The switch + ALL of its accessories is (rough estimate) slightly less material than what is inside my PC case. Certainly far less electronics. Most of the Switch accessories are just plastic. edit: If the one metric you want to maximize (or minimize) is electronic waste, the ONLY device you should own is a high-end smartphone that you carefully maintain so that you can replace it only after at least triple its expected (2 year) lifetime.

madshiva 10y ago
Ok, but there's a lot of accessory therefor that need to be counted. Totally true about smartphone but I have replying about buying one console for one game, if you have plenty of game, why not but for one game it's a waste for me and this model of exclusivity fail. Why I would buy the copy of an old game for the same price? come-on! I pay once, and I own the game not matter the support! Plastic are a big waste. Most of my computers made 10 years or more, always find someone that need one, or a part that can be reused. No need for new GF every year...
- shuntress 10y ago
  I agree that with the current library of games on the Switch it functions more as a single-use device which does make it vastly more wasteful. But the expectation is that new software will be developed for it going forward. Plus the more modular nature of the components/accessories means that it is possible (though unlikely) that upgrades for different components may be made on a module-by-module basis. Which translates to less waste overall. In terms of computers/consoles made 10+ years ago I think the same comparisons still apply. There are plenty of old consoles still in use today. Though old consoles were certainly less modular than old PCs.
robotpony 10y ago
No need to replace your console either, they tend to last for ages. We still play our Game Cube and N64 regularly (as well as Wii/Wii U), so total lifetime is pretty huge. It's enjoyable to play these old systems, where a video card isn't really that interesting 5 years later.

syphilis2 10y ago

I've been playing Zelda on CEMU and my advice to anyone who actually wants to play BotW is to not even bother with the emulator outside of morbid curiosity. A few of the glitches in the game: - Water doesn't exist, you just walk on the bottom of lakebeds, all the fish behave as if they're on dry land - Magnesis and Stasis do not work (but you can just walk underwater to get to those chests) - The game locks up often, typically during auto-saves - Graphical glitches, big cyan and magenta polygons, flicker constantly on screen - All humanoid characters, including Link, sink about halfway into the ground - Animals will randomly disappear, AI behaves weird around the non-existent water - Frame rate is extremely troubled - You can't beat many of the shrines, including the first few, so you need a save file to escape the first area So imagine trying to play through the shrines without Magnesis or Stasis. What do you do? The game itself is actually pretty flexible: instead of lifting metal boxes and spheres you can use bombs to knock them in the direction you need. You can use arrows and other weapons to knock around far away objects. Still, many shrines are impassable. CEMU is not anywhere close to a substitute for the console, and it will be months to years before it has the same accuracy as say Dolphin.

CoolGuySteve 10y ago
BotW just came out and the Cemu people are actively working on it according to their patreon. To compare, I've been playing Super Mario 3D World at 4K and it's gorgeous. It looks and performs far better than the Wii U version once you install a precompiled shader cache. So while BotW is currently unplayable on Cemu, I suspect that won't be the case in 6 months or so.
- goda90 10y ago
  Has anyone gotten nintendo controllers to work in Cemu? I have a Wii U and most games I'd want already, but the idea of 4K intrigues me.
  - CoolGuySteve 10y ago
    I think right now the answer is no, the controller might work through Bluetooth but the screen doesn't forward. You have to hit a key to change the main output window to show what would be on the controller's screen. I personally always thought the screen on the controller was dumb, I owned a Dreamcast and thought it was annoying then, so it didn't bother me. But you might feel different.