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Remember also that there's a big difference between the fluffy powder they're plowing in northern Japan and the wet stuff you drove your landie into.

masklinn 10y ago
The top may be fluffy, but by the time you've dug through the top 50ft I doubt it's very fluffy anymore.
- dredmorbius 10y ago
  It's dense fluff... There is a very wide range of snow. In particular, the heavy wet stuff acts and behaves very differently from "dry" snow -- whether that's light powder on top, or compacted, but dry, snow underneath. Wet snow is increadibly heavy, and frequently contains or mixes with ice which makes removal (blowing, ploughing, shoveling, 'dozing) far more challenging.
- Coincoin 10y ago
  Compared to rocks, ice is not that dense. You can try yourself: it's easy to pickup a big chunk of ice, even with a shovel, while a similarly sized rock is impossible to lift.
  - Declanomous 10y ago
    And ice, quite surprisingly, is less dense than water. There are not many solids that are less dense than their liquid form.
    - Xylakant 10y ago
      Exactly one: water/ice
      - dsp1234 10y ago
        "Other substances that expand on freezing are acetic acid, silicon, gallium,[35] germanium, bismuth, plutonium and also chemical compounds that form spacious crystal lattices with tetrahedral coordination."[0] [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Properties_of_water#Density_of_water_and_ice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Properties_of_water#Density_of...
      - monocasa 10y ago
        There's more than water. A lot of things that freeze into a crystal lattice can be less dense than their liquid states. Silicon dioxide is another IIRC.
klausjensen 10y ago
...And some places have "lighter" snow than others. I have seen experiments, where you fill a large glass with snow from the alps - and another with snow from the Rockies (US/Canada). When melted, there is only half the water in the glass from the Rockies - which is why it is powder-heaven for snow-freaks (such as myself). I have no idea about the science - why it is this way.
- hodgesrm 10y ago
  Try that same experiment with a snow bank in late May from both places and you'll likely find it's equally compact once the snow pack is at 32F throughout and starting to form what is known in the trade as firn. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firn

masklinn 10y ago

The top may be fluffy, but by the time you've dug through the top 50ft I doubt it's very fluffy anymore.

dredmorbius 10y ago
It's dense fluff... There is a very wide range of snow. In particular, the heavy wet stuff acts and behaves very differently from "dry" snow -- whether that's light powder on top, or compacted, but dry, snow underneath. Wet snow is increadibly heavy, and frequently contains or mixes with ice which makes removal (blowing, ploughing, shoveling, 'dozing) far more challenging.
Coincoin 10y ago
Compared to rocks, ice is not that dense. You can try yourself: it's easy to pickup a big chunk of ice, even with a shovel, while a similarly sized rock is impossible to lift.
- Declanomous 10y ago
  And ice, quite surprisingly, is less dense than water. There are not many solids that are less dense than their liquid form.
  - Xylakant 10y ago
    Exactly one: water/ice
    - dsp1234 10y ago
      "Other substances that expand on freezing are acetic acid, silicon, gallium,[35] germanium, bismuth, plutonium and also chemical compounds that form spacious crystal lattices with tetrahedral coordination."[0] [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Properties_of_water#Density_of_water_and_ice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Properties_of_water#Density_of...
    - monocasa 10y ago
      There's more than water. A lot of things that freeze into a crystal lattice can be less dense than their liquid states. Silicon dioxide is another IIRC.

klausjensen 10y ago

...And some places have "lighter" snow than others. I have seen experiments, where you fill a large glass with snow from the alps - and another with snow from the Rockies (US/Canada). When melted, there is only half the water in the glass from the Rockies - which is why it is powder-heaven for snow-freaks (such as myself). I have no idea about the science - why it is this way.

hodgesrm 10y ago
Try that same experiment with a snow bank in late May from both places and you'll likely find it's equally compact once the snow pack is at 32F throughout and starting to form what is known in the trade as firn. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firn