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I have seen instances of Jake behaving inappropriately in front of DJB, and I'm pretty sure he saw. I've heard Jake bragging about his sexual exploits on numer

I have seen instances of Jake behaving inappropriately in front of DJB, and I'm pretty sure he saw. I've heard Jake bragging about his sexual exploits on numerous occasions, including the sawzall story. Not posting under my normal account for obvious reasons.

flukus 10y ago
Any more detail? There is a big gap between inappropriate behavior and sexual harassment and/or the assault allegations made.
- knieveltech 10y ago
  Is there now? By all means describe what objectively differentiates inappropriate from harassment.
  - flukus 10y ago
    Farting is inappropriate but not harassment (usually). There is a huge range of behaviour that's can be inappropriate but not harassment.
    - joshuamorton 10y ago
      How exactly is farting inappropriate?
      - flukus 10y ago
        Depends on context, but lifting your leg and letting rip is generally considered inappropriate during a business meeting.
        joshuamorton 10y ago
        Right, but I'd argue that doing that is also something that could be construed as harassing your coworkers. Perhaps not in the common usage sense, but certainly in the "spitting on someone is assault and grabbing a coworkers ass is sexual harassment" sense. I wouldn't consider letting out a fart anymore inappropriate than excusing oneself to go to the bathroom, but doing either in a way that you know will disrupt and cause coworkers discomfort is inappropriate and harassing, not because of the act itself, but because of how you handle it.
    - sethherr 10y ago
      That's a reasonable example, but doesn't answer the question: what differentiates it? I'd say it's something like "involving people without their consent" - e.g. farting on them. Which includes forcing people to listen to tales of your sexual exploits.
      - flukus 10y ago
        I'd disagree discussing your sexual exploits is harassment either, up to a point. It's harassment when it's clearly unwelcome and directed at a specific individual. So if we sit next to each other and I keep farting even though you don't like it, it's not harassment because it's not directed at you, but if I kept walking over to your area just to fart, that's harassment. I would have thought the distinction would be obvious considering the overlap between HN readers and the socially awkward.
        knieveltech 10y ago
        sethherr nails it with consent. Just about anything can be harassment if the critical element of consent is missing.

flukus 10y ago

Any more detail? There is a big gap between inappropriate behavior and sexual harassment and/or the assault allegations made.

knieveltech 10y ago
Is there now? By all means describe what objectively differentiates inappropriate from harassment.
- flukus 10y ago
  Farting is inappropriate but not harassment (usually). There is a huge range of behaviour that's can be inappropriate but not harassment.
  - joshuamorton 10y ago
    How exactly is farting inappropriate?
    - flukus 10y ago
      Depends on context, but lifting your leg and letting rip is generally considered inappropriate during a business meeting.
      - joshuamorton 10y ago
        Right, but I'd argue that doing that is also something that could be construed as harassing your coworkers. Perhaps not in the common usage sense, but certainly in the "spitting on someone is assault and grabbing a coworkers ass is sexual harassment" sense. I wouldn't consider letting out a fart anymore inappropriate than excusing oneself to go to the bathroom, but doing either in a way that you know will disrupt and cause coworkers discomfort is inappropriate and harassing, not because of the act itself, but because of how you handle it.
  - sethherr 10y ago
    That's a reasonable example, but doesn't answer the question: what differentiates it? I'd say it's something like "involving people without their consent" - e.g. farting on them. Which includes forcing people to listen to tales of your sexual exploits.
    - flukus 10y ago
      I'd disagree discussing your sexual exploits is harassment either, up to a point. It's harassment when it's clearly unwelcome and directed at a specific individual. So if we sit next to each other and I keep farting even though you don't like it, it's not harassment because it's not directed at you, but if I kept walking over to your area just to fart, that's harassment. I would have thought the distinction would be obvious considering the overlap between HN readers and the socially awkward.
      - knieveltech 10y ago
        sethherr nails it with consent. Just about anything can be harassment if the critical element of consent is missing.