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Hard to blame anyone for spending their time doing things where success is quantifiable and quickly displayed. This is the Western countries' version of hikkik

Hard to blame anyone for spending their time doing things where success is quantifiable and quickly displayed. This is the Western countries' version of hikkikomori and there will only be more of it as education and good opportunities become out of reach for more people. Men seem more likely to do this than women because of the societal pressures on them to get a job and run the rat race of dating and climbing a nonexistent corporate ladder. For those people living in major job centers or major job creation industries it seems unfathomable, but there is an entire American generation out there experiencing this, being told that they're not shit if they don't go to college and work a 9 to 5 (which really is more of a 9 to 9). I don't blame them for opting out of such useless propaganda. Not everyone enjoys or is interested in computer programming, and starting your career in your 20s without an inherently marketable skill is terrifying for most people.

pbkhrv 10y ago
> and starting your career in your 20s without an inherently marketable skill is terrifying for most people Not as terrifying as starting your career in your 40s without an inherently marketable skill because 20s and 30s were spent playing video games...
- flukus 10y ago
  But you get some points for being mature because you're no longer the type to get drunk on weeknights and call in sick to work. This isn't always deserved though.
xor1 10y ago
>Men seem more likely to do this than women because of the societal pressures on them to get a job and run the rat race of dating and climbing a nonexistent corporate ladder. Women also have more options.
- 09bjb 10y ago
  Like marry into money? If that's your point, it's not going to be valid much longer the way things are going, with women dominating more and more of the middle- and upper-middle-class jobs (glass ceiling problem notwithstanding).
  - xor1 10y ago
    I love how the first conclusion you jump to is "marrying into money". Really? You know that there are plenty of single-earner households outside of SF/SV, NYC, and the other tech hubs, right? (That aren't rich, if that needs to be stressed). >If that's your point, it's not going to be valid much longer the way things are going, with women dominating more and more of the middle- and upper-middle-class jobs (glass ceiling problem notwithstanding). White and Asian women* Step out of your HN bubble for a moment, and try to think about the existence of groups that you don't normally acknowledge. It's "not going to be valid much longer" just because things are changing in the immediate regions that you typically spend time reading about. There's the rest of the country and even the world to take into consideration too.
projektir 10y ago
> Men seem more likely to do this than women because of the societal pressures on them to get a job and run the rat race of dating and climbing a nonexistent corporate ladder. And perhaps because "taking care of themselves" pressure on women is much, much higher.
researcher11 10y ago
I think the social penalty of a young man dropping out is lower than a young women because their perceived social value is much lower. It is a lower height to fall from.
- antisthenes 10y ago
  The social penalty is called opportunity cost in Economic terms. These men generally don't have big social networks that could have gotten them jobs in the first place, so there isn't much lost when they isolate themselves. For women, losing their social network is losing a large chunk of their safety net (if they aren't receiving welfare otherwise), so it's almost unfathomable for them to do so of their own accord.

pbkhrv 10y ago

> and starting your career in your 20s without an inherently marketable skill is terrifying for most people Not as terrifying as starting your career in your 40s without an inherently marketable skill because 20s and 30s were spent playing video games...

flukus 10y ago
But you get some points for being mature because you're no longer the type to get drunk on weeknights and call in sick to work. This isn't always deserved though.

xor1 10y ago

>Men seem more likely to do this than women because of the societal pressures on them to get a job and run the rat race of dating and climbing a nonexistent corporate ladder. Women also have more options.

09bjb 10y ago
Like marry into money? If that's your point, it's not going to be valid much longer the way things are going, with women dominating more and more of the middle- and upper-middle-class jobs (glass ceiling problem notwithstanding).
- xor1 10y ago
  I love how the first conclusion you jump to is "marrying into money". Really? You know that there are plenty of single-earner households outside of SF/SV, NYC, and the other tech hubs, right? (That aren't rich, if that needs to be stressed). >If that's your point, it's not going to be valid much longer the way things are going, with women dominating more and more of the middle- and upper-middle-class jobs (glass ceiling problem notwithstanding). White and Asian women* Step out of your HN bubble for a moment, and try to think about the existence of groups that you don't normally acknowledge. It's "not going to be valid much longer" just because things are changing in the immediate regions that you typically spend time reading about. There's the rest of the country and even the world to take into consideration too.

projektir 10y ago

> Men seem more likely to do this than women because of the societal pressures on them to get a job and run the rat race of dating and climbing a nonexistent corporate ladder. And perhaps because "taking care of themselves" pressure on women is much, much higher.

researcher11 10y ago

I think the social penalty of a young man dropping out is lower than a young women because their perceived social value is much lower. It is a lower height to fall from.

antisthenes 10y ago
The social penalty is called opportunity cost in Economic terms. These men generally don't have big social networks that could have gotten them jobs in the first place, so there isn't much lost when they isolate themselves. For women, losing their social network is losing a large chunk of their safety net (if they aren't receiving welfare otherwise), so it's almost unfathomable for them to do so of their own accord.