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Big problem is the use of autopilot navigation locked to the GPS route.. this pretty much guarantees that you will fly right below the wake of the above plane o

Big problem is the use of autopilot navigation locked to the GPS route.. this pretty much guarantees that you will fly right below the wake of the above plane on the same route! (Before GPS it will be very odd to flight exactly the same path) ..

clueless123 10y ago
Few years ago, an embraer actually cut another's plane wing off for the exact same reason. (They were flying at the wrong altitude though)
- phumbe 10y ago
  That's Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907 -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gol_Transportes_A%C3%A9reos_Flight_1907 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gol_Transportes_A%C3%A9reos_Fl... There's also an episode ("Phantom Strike") of the TV series Mayday about the incident; it's probably on youtube.
  - sneak 10y ago
    Ahh, I see you are one of those kinds of wikipedia readers as well. I've spent many a late night reading about the minutae of air disasters. Hello, friend. May I also recommend strong radiation source mishandling accidents?
- davidwihl 10y ago
  They were not flying at the wrong altitude - ATC cleared both aircraft to the same altitude on a collision course.
flashman 10y ago
It's a big sky until you're using the same road as everybody else...
antubbs 10y ago
Eh. e.g. the north atlantic tracks have been around since the 1960s. GPS wasn't available to the public until Korean Air Lines Flight 007 in the 1980s.
- dingaling 10y ago
  The OP means that satnav ensures that two aircraft on a reciprocal or identical track will now pass over one another, whereas there used to be navigational slop that would give some unintentional but useful lateral displacement.
  - cjrp 10y ago
    Ironic that you should use the term 'slop', since that's exactly how they avoid flying the same route across the Atlantic tracks for example (Strategic Lateral Offset Procedure).
    - phumbe 10y ago
      Also worth noting for the transatlantic paths is the direction of traffic. When it's morning in North America, traffic is predominately westbound. When it's night, traffic is predominately eastbound. Right now, it's the middle of the day (12:50p Central). There's a bit of a mix[1], but it's still predominately westbound. The consequence of this is that most traffic will be separated by at least 2000 feet. Eastbound traffic will (generally) be at odd Flight Levels (so 29000 feet, 31000 feet, etc.) while Westbound traffic will be at even FLs (30000 feet, etc)[2]. This assumes RVSM airspace. [1] I'm just looking at the transatlantic traffic on https://flightaware.com/live/ https://flightaware.com/live/ [2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.179 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.179
- dmix 10y ago
  > until Korean Air Lines Flight 007 in the 1980s Woah, the soviets shot down a Korean airliner with air-to-air missles killing 269 people? Never heard that story. Crazy. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007 https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

clueless123 10y ago

Few years ago, an embraer actually cut another's plane wing off for the exact same reason. (They were flying at the wrong altitude though)

phumbe 10y ago
That's Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907 -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gol_Transportes_A%C3%A9reos_Flight_1907 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gol_Transportes_A%C3%A9reos_Fl... There's also an episode ("Phantom Strike") of the TV series Mayday about the incident; it's probably on youtube.
- sneak 10y ago
  Ahh, I see you are one of those kinds of wikipedia readers as well. I've spent many a late night reading about the minutae of air disasters. Hello, friend. May I also recommend strong radiation source mishandling accidents?
davidwihl 10y ago
They were not flying at the wrong altitude - ATC cleared both aircraft to the same altitude on a collision course.

flashman 10y ago

It's a big sky until you're using the same road as everybody else...

antubbs 10y ago

Eh. e.g. the north atlantic tracks have been around since the 1960s. GPS wasn't available to the public until Korean Air Lines Flight 007 in the 1980s.

dingaling 10y ago
The OP means that satnav ensures that two aircraft on a reciprocal or identical track will now pass over one another, whereas there used to be navigational slop that would give some unintentional but useful lateral displacement.
- cjrp 10y ago
  Ironic that you should use the term 'slop', since that's exactly how they avoid flying the same route across the Atlantic tracks for example (Strategic Lateral Offset Procedure).
  - phumbe 10y ago
    Also worth noting for the transatlantic paths is the direction of traffic. When it's morning in North America, traffic is predominately westbound. When it's night, traffic is predominately eastbound. Right now, it's the middle of the day (12:50p Central). There's a bit of a mix[1], but it's still predominately westbound. The consequence of this is that most traffic will be separated by at least 2000 feet. Eastbound traffic will (generally) be at odd Flight Levels (so 29000 feet, 31000 feet, etc.) while Westbound traffic will be at even FLs (30000 feet, etc)[2]. This assumes RVSM airspace. [1] I'm just looking at the transatlantic traffic on https://flightaware.com/live/ https://flightaware.com/live/ [2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.179 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.179
dmix 10y ago
> until Korean Air Lines Flight 007 in the 1980s Woah, the soviets shot down a Korean airliner with air-to-air missles killing 269 people? Never heard that story. Crazy. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007 https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007