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Windows 10 feels unfinished because a bunch of the UI seems to be in transition between older interfaces and newer ones, sometimes lossily - and I'm not talking

Windows 10 feels unfinished because a bunch of the UI seems to be in transition between older interfaces and newer ones, sometimes lossily - and I'm not talking about third-party components, I'm talking about things like configuring networking in Windows 10, or not being able to find a way to convince the new UI widget to tell you the capacity of batteries any more. (There were probably more examples, those were just the two that sprung to mind.) It feels buggy because if I left File Explorer windows open, eventually all of explorer would stop responding until I killed it and restarted it. If I used a machine for a couple of days without restart, DWM would lock up and suddenly I'd get to try to remember the commands to kill dwm.exe and type them flawlessly without being able to see what I'm doing, or restart the machine. Sleep and hibernate, both of which work reliably under 7 on my laptop, have about a 50/50 shot of waking up or coming up to a black screen - which, itself, has a 50/50 chance of either being a login prompt which is just not displaying and if I enter my password and press enter, it will bring up the suspended environment, or just a permanently frozen unresponsive black screen. Oh, and Start Menu searching being completely broken - attempting to type, say, Firefox would prompt me to search the web for Firefox as the top result, or I could open All Programs and there's Mozilla Firefox. I'm sure there are other things I've forgotten. But that's a concise list of what I recall. (A quick addendum - my Windows 10 was patched up to date as of December 2016, which is when I sent my machine off for repair and started using 7 again, so this isn't just some artifact of the Windows 10 Preview or early builds.)

cptskippy 10y ago
> Windows 10 feels unfinished That's true but another way to look at it is that it's in a constant state of improvement. There's 30 years of legacy that they're taking the time to refactor correctly rather than just skin or eliminate entirely. > I'm talking about things like configuring networking in Windows 10 That is one of the very rough areas right now. They have the basic functionality in there but then shifted focus to other areas. Actually getting to the legacy control panel App to make changes to things like DHCP and DNS settings is ass backwards at the moment. > not being able to find a way to convince the new UI widget to tell you the capacity of batteries any more. That sounds like a hardware specific issue. If I hover over my battery indicator I get both a percentage and time estimate. If I click on the indicator I get the same information and the option to change power mode. > It feels buggy because if I left File Explorer windows open, eventually all of explorer would stop responding until I killed it and restarted it. If I used a machine for a couple of days without restart, DWM would lock up and suddenly I'd get to try to remember the commands to kill dwm.exe and type them flawlessly without being able to see what I'm doing, or restart the machine. Your explorer issue sounds like it could either be a hardware issue with a storage device or a problem with network discovery. Since DWM uses GPU compositing now, I'm going to say that you might have a hardware issue. I have 3 PCs running 24/7 that I either sit at or RDP into daily and I've never experienced anything like what you're describing. > Sleep and hibernate, both of which work reliably under 7 on my laptop, have about a 50/50 shot of waking up or coming up to a black screen - which, itself, has a 50/50 chance of either being a login prompt which is just not displaying and if I enter my password and press enter, it will bring up the suspended environment, or just a permanently frozen unresponsive black screen. I ran into this on my laptop when I upgraded it from Win8.1 to Win10 and left the vendor's Power Management AND Bluetooth drivers installed. After removing all vendor supplied drivers and allowing Windows Update to install new ones, it has behaved perfectly. > Oh, and Start Menu searching being completely broken - attempting to type, say, Firefox would prompt me to search the web for Firefox as the top result, or I could open All Programs and there's Mozilla Firefox. That sounds an awful lot like Windows 7. For starters there's no "All Programs" in Windows 10. I tried with Cortona on and off and could not reproduce that result. Every time I typed "Firefox" into the search bar or just with the Start Menu opened, the Best Match was the "Mozilla Firefox" shortcut. Now Windows 8.x/2012.x had a slow search feature and a nasty habit of just searching the web if you hit enter after typing your query but all of that is gone in Windows 10.
- rincebrain 10y ago
  > constant state of improvement I understand how this would work in theory, but it seems more like they're trying to burn customer goodwill by breaking or removing old tools in favor of migrating everyone to {Modern UI,a walled garden}. > That sounds like a hardware specific issue. If I hover over my battery indicator I get both a percentage and time estimate. If I click on the indicator I get the same information and the option to change power mode. Not particularly - when I said capacity, I meant {design,current maximum, current remaining} capacity in mAh, which I couldn't convince it to tell me. (Admittedly, I did not go looking for the specific WMI calls that probably have this information, because I don't expect to have to resort to WMI to find out my battery's capacity.) > Your explorer issue sounds like it could either be a hardware issue with a storage device or a problem with network discovery. I had another bug with network {share,host} discovery which resulted in explorer crashing and me disabling that particular feature, but no, that wasn't my only issue with explorer. If it's a hardware issue with the storage device, I'd be rather impressed, as said SSD runs other OSes perfectly fine, and SFC comes back without any complaints. I can certainly believe it's something about my platform or usage, but after trying a clean reinstall of 10 without OEM drivers to confirm it wasn't some OEM-provided driver causing this fun and games, it stops being something I want to spend all my time debugging. > Sleep and hibernate Tried with the OEM-drivers install and without, no visible difference, much to my chagrin. > Start Menu Sorry, I meant All Apps. I just tried it with Firefox, and after letting it sit for ~15 seconds offering a random json file with Firefox in the name as the best match, it did come up with Mozilla Firefox, and then immediately came back with every other thing I thought to try. I don't know whether this has changed in the interim, or I'm just associating the initial delay with never trusting it, or something entirely distinct. (I don't think I'm conflating it with Windows 7, though, as I don't think I've ever seen it do that on one of my machines.)
  - cptskippy 10y ago
    I started to respond to this but then I realized you're just twisting things to fit your world view. Microsoft isn't removing for breaking their UI to trick people into their walled garden. Yes they'd like the Store to be a success but making advanced networking features difficult to surface by migrating from GDI to Modern UI elements isn't part of that master plan. You're sighting what you see as shortcomings in their battery status indicator as a regress when what you're asking for has never been a feature in Windows. I don't deny that you've had some issues with Windows but it sounds like a lot of your objects are based on personal beliefs than actual problems.

cptskippy 10y ago

> Windows 10 feels unfinished That's true but another way to look at it is that it's in a constant state of improvement. There's 30 years of legacy that they're taking the time to refactor correctly rather than just skin or eliminate entirely. > I'm talking about things like configuring networking in Windows 10 That is one of the very rough areas right now. They have the basic functionality in there but then shifted focus to other areas. Actually getting to the legacy control panel App to make changes to things like DHCP and DNS settings is ass backwards at the moment. > not being able to find a way to convince the new UI widget to tell you the capacity of batteries any more. That sounds like a hardware specific issue. If I hover over my battery indicator I get both a percentage and time estimate. If I click on the indicator I get the same information and the option to change power mode. > It feels buggy because if I left File Explorer windows open, eventually all of explorer would stop responding until I killed it and restarted it. If I used a machine for a couple of days without restart, DWM would lock up and suddenly I'd get to try to remember the commands to kill dwm.exe and type them flawlessly without being able to see what I'm doing, or restart the machine. Your explorer issue sounds like it could either be a hardware issue with a storage device or a problem with network discovery. Since DWM uses GPU compositing now, I'm going to say that you might have a hardware issue. I have 3 PCs running 24/7 that I either sit at or RDP into daily and I've never experienced anything like what you're describing. > Sleep and hibernate, both of which work reliably under 7 on my laptop, have about a 50/50 shot of waking up or coming up to a black screen - which, itself, has a 50/50 chance of either being a login prompt which is just not displaying and if I enter my password and press enter, it will bring up the suspended environment, or just a permanently frozen unresponsive black screen. I ran into this on my laptop when I upgraded it from Win8.1 to Win10 and left the vendor's Power Management AND Bluetooth drivers installed. After removing all vendor supplied drivers and allowing Windows Update to install new ones, it has behaved perfectly. > Oh, and Start Menu searching being completely broken - attempting to type, say, Firefox would prompt me to search the web for Firefox as the top result, or I could open All Programs and there's Mozilla Firefox. That sounds an awful lot like Windows 7. For starters there's no "All Programs" in Windows 10. I tried with Cortona on and off and could not reproduce that result. Every time I typed "Firefox" into the search bar or just with the Start Menu opened, the Best Match was the "Mozilla Firefox" shortcut. Now Windows 8.x/2012.x had a slow search feature and a nasty habit of just searching the web if you hit enter after typing your query but all of that is gone in Windows 10.

rincebrain 10y ago
> constant state of improvement I understand how this would work in theory, but it seems more like they're trying to burn customer goodwill by breaking or removing old tools in favor of migrating everyone to {Modern UI,a walled garden}. > That sounds like a hardware specific issue. If I hover over my battery indicator I get both a percentage and time estimate. If I click on the indicator I get the same information and the option to change power mode. Not particularly - when I said capacity, I meant {design,current maximum, current remaining} capacity in mAh, which I couldn't convince it to tell me. (Admittedly, I did not go looking for the specific WMI calls that probably have this information, because I don't expect to have to resort to WMI to find out my battery's capacity.) > Your explorer issue sounds like it could either be a hardware issue with a storage device or a problem with network discovery. I had another bug with network {share,host} discovery which resulted in explorer crashing and me disabling that particular feature, but no, that wasn't my only issue with explorer. If it's a hardware issue with the storage device, I'd be rather impressed, as said SSD runs other OSes perfectly fine, and SFC comes back without any complaints. I can certainly believe it's something about my platform or usage, but after trying a clean reinstall of 10 without OEM drivers to confirm it wasn't some OEM-provided driver causing this fun and games, it stops being something I want to spend all my time debugging. > Sleep and hibernate Tried with the OEM-drivers install and without, no visible difference, much to my chagrin. > Start Menu Sorry, I meant All Apps. I just tried it with Firefox, and after letting it sit for ~15 seconds offering a random json file with Firefox in the name as the best match, it did come up with Mozilla Firefox, and then immediately came back with every other thing I thought to try. I don't know whether this has changed in the interim, or I'm just associating the initial delay with never trusting it, or something entirely distinct. (I don't think I'm conflating it with Windows 7, though, as I don't think I've ever seen it do that on one of my machines.)
- cptskippy 10y ago
  I started to respond to this but then I realized you're just twisting things to fit your world view. Microsoft isn't removing for breaking their UI to trick people into their walled garden. Yes they'd like the Store to be a success but making advanced networking features difficult to surface by migrating from GDI to Modern UI elements isn't part of that master plan. You're sighting what you see as shortcomings in their battery status indicator as a regress when what you're asking for has never been a feature in Windows. I don't deny that you've had some issues with Windows but it sounds like a lot of your objects are based on personal beliefs than actual problems.