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I don't understand people who don't do prep for interviews. I'm a self-taught software engineer with a mostly irrelevant degree but I for sure work through prac

I don't understand people who don't do prep for interviews. I'm a self-taught software engineer with a mostly irrelevant degree but I for sure work through practice problems before interviews and I've had success with some of the "big 5" or whatever they're called. If I hadn't done the practice, I doubt I would have had any success at all. It's a bit of a slog but it's not that hard if you're motivated to get a new job. My girlfriend has gone back to school for nursing and she works a shit load harder than me all the time, while I just do a month or so of ~ten hours a week of prep for every round of interviews I do.

shados 10y ago
unless you're interviewing at one of the big companies with a known interview process, you'd basically be wasting your time. I've done hundreds of tech interviews over my career, and especially in recent years (now that companies are trying new things), it's completely random. Some will do "Cracking the coding interview" type shit, some will do code reviews, some will give you a take home thing you have to present, some will do pair coding. Some do algorithms only, some do design discussions only, and so on and so forth. So any prep I do will be a shot in the dark and 99% of the time I'll have to do something I did not prep for. So I don't bother trying. Notable exception is my current job, which is a big tech co with a semi well known interview process (not as infamous as google or facebook, but still), and they gave me a fair amount of info up front. I also -really really really- wanted to work there because the team I wanted to work for did things no one else does. So i bit the bullet and studied/practice. That was literally the first time (and probably last) time I did.
- caconym_ 10y ago
  I guess I just think of it as limbering up the brain, even if what I "studied" isn't directly useful. I'm going to be a lot more effective at basically all the things you mentioned if I've been solving tricky problems in my spare time for a few weeks. I totally agree that it's a shot in the dark, though.
  - lj3 10y ago
    Just out of curiosity, are you relatively young? Memorizing the same material for four months every time you switch jobs gets tedious after a 15 year long career.
    - caconym_ 10y ago
      I've been in the industry for about 10 years. Like I said, it's more about limbering up my brain. I have a good time with it, and usually learn some new things. Memorization is pointless, so I try to solve new and interesting problems rather than re-implementing the same old data structures and algorithms every time. To be sure, some people take it too far. The "four months" figure does not come from me.
      - dominotw 10y ago
        > so I try to solve new and interesting problems Curious if you have any examples. I have really hard time motivating myself to study same old ds and algorithms too .
        bquinlan 10y ago
        I wanted to learn Rust but didn't have a good project in mind. So I solved a bunch of interview problems: https://github.com/brianquinlan/learn-rust https://github.com/brianquinlan/learn-rust Solving those problems gave me a reason to touch lots of parts of the language and was also intellectually interesting. See, for example: https://github.com/brianquinlan/learn-rust/tree/master/i18n https://github.com/brianquinlan/learn-rust/tree/master/i18n
        dominotw 10y ago
        This is awesome. Learning Rust is also one of my goals. This is pretty great for comparing my solutions.
    - collyw 10y ago
      Especially when you have hardly ever had to use it in your 15 years career.
- jkubicek 10y ago
  You make a good point, but: > Some will do "Cracking the coding interview" type shit, some will do code reviews, some will give you a take home thing you have to present, some will do pair coding. Some do algorithms only, some do design discussions only, and so on and so forth. "Cracking the Coding Interview" and algorithms are the only things you mention that you don't spend all day doing at your day job. Spending time studying algorithm questions will be hugely beneficial for some interviews. For others, they'll quiz you on stuff you (should) already know.
- umanwizard 10y ago
  In my life I have interviewed at Amazon, Facebook, Google, 1Energy, and Redfin. 100% of them did standard coding interviews, including the last two. Claiming that preparing for whitebord algorithms interviews is a waste of time outside the big N is a gross exaggeration at best.
ZanyProgrammer 10y ago
I have a hard enough time trying to fit my own personal projects into my schedule, much less doing mind numbing memorization. It's funny that unless you teach CS, none of our jobs actually prepare for an interview.
- caconym_ 10y ago
  If you're memorizing, you're doing it wrong (IMO, in general). I think that if you are working on some moderately challenging and varied personal projects, that's probably also a great way to prepare.
  - WalterSear 10y ago
    I used to think so, but I've found that small amounts of memorization alongside actually working with topics is so much more effective that I have started doing it outside of interview crams - such as when I am trying to get to grips with a new library's API.
JDiculous 10y ago
It makes complete sense for your first job and when you're unemployed, but as someone with a couple jobs under his belt already, I have no interest in interview prep anymore unless it's relevant to my work and there's a clear ROI. The way I see it, no experienced candidate should have to do "interview prep" because the work that he/she does on the job should be more relevant to his/her ability to do the job than any form of interview prep. To make an extreme example, John Carmack's work time is probably better allocated actually doing work than brushing up on "Cracking the Coding Interview" problems. In an ideal world a software engineer's candidacy for a job would be based strictly on his ability to do the job, not academic trivia questions.
- smcl 10y ago
  This got me thinking. Since John Carmack is a person we can probably all agree is a talented programmer and all round smart guy ... I'm curious how he would fare if he was handed a standard set of Google/FB interview questions

shados 10y ago

unless you're interviewing at one of the big companies with a known interview process, you'd basically be wasting your time. I've done hundreds of tech interviews over my career, and especially in recent years (now that companies are trying new things), it's completely random. Some will do "Cracking the coding interview" type shit, some will do code reviews, some will give you a take home thing you have to present, some will do pair coding. Some do algorithms only, some do design discussions only, and so on and so forth. So any prep I do will be a shot in the dark and 99% of the time I'll have to do something I did not prep for. So I don't bother trying. Notable exception is my current job, which is a big tech co with a semi well known interview process (not as infamous as google or facebook, but still), and they gave me a fair amount of info up front. I also -really really really- wanted to work there because the team I wanted to work for did things no one else does. So i bit the bullet and studied/practice. That was literally the first time (and probably last) time I did.

caconym_ 10y ago
I guess I just think of it as limbering up the brain, even if what I "studied" isn't directly useful. I'm going to be a lot more effective at basically all the things you mentioned if I've been solving tricky problems in my spare time for a few weeks. I totally agree that it's a shot in the dark, though.
- lj3 10y ago
  Just out of curiosity, are you relatively young? Memorizing the same material for four months every time you switch jobs gets tedious after a 15 year long career.
  - caconym_ 10y ago
    I've been in the industry for about 10 years. Like I said, it's more about limbering up my brain. I have a good time with it, and usually learn some new things. Memorization is pointless, so I try to solve new and interesting problems rather than re-implementing the same old data structures and algorithms every time. To be sure, some people take it too far. The "four months" figure does not come from me.
    - dominotw 10y ago
      > so I try to solve new and interesting problems Curious if you have any examples. I have really hard time motivating myself to study same old ds and algorithms too .
      - bquinlan 10y ago
        I wanted to learn Rust but didn't have a good project in mind. So I solved a bunch of interview problems: https://github.com/brianquinlan/learn-rust https://github.com/brianquinlan/learn-rust Solving those problems gave me a reason to touch lots of parts of the language and was also intellectually interesting. See, for example: https://github.com/brianquinlan/learn-rust/tree/master/i18n https://github.com/brianquinlan/learn-rust/tree/master/i18n
        dominotw 10y ago
        This is awesome. Learning Rust is also one of my goals. This is pretty great for comparing my solutions.
  - collyw 10y ago
    Especially when you have hardly ever had to use it in your 15 years career.
jkubicek 10y ago
You make a good point, but: > Some will do "Cracking the coding interview" type shit, some will do code reviews, some will give you a take home thing you have to present, some will do pair coding. Some do algorithms only, some do design discussions only, and so on and so forth. "Cracking the Coding Interview" and algorithms are the only things you mention that you don't spend all day doing at your day job. Spending time studying algorithm questions will be hugely beneficial for some interviews. For others, they'll quiz you on stuff you (should) already know.
umanwizard 10y ago
In my life I have interviewed at Amazon, Facebook, Google, 1Energy, and Redfin. 100% of them did standard coding interviews, including the last two. Claiming that preparing for whitebord algorithms interviews is a waste of time outside the big N is a gross exaggeration at best.

ZanyProgrammer 10y ago

I have a hard enough time trying to fit my own personal projects into my schedule, much less doing mind numbing memorization. It's funny that unless you teach CS, none of our jobs actually prepare for an interview.

caconym_ 10y ago
If you're memorizing, you're doing it wrong (IMO, in general). I think that if you are working on some moderately challenging and varied personal projects, that's probably also a great way to prepare.
- WalterSear 10y ago
  I used to think so, but I've found that small amounts of memorization alongside actually working with topics is so much more effective that I have started doing it outside of interview crams - such as when I am trying to get to grips with a new library's API.

JDiculous 10y ago

It makes complete sense for your first job and when you're unemployed, but as someone with a couple jobs under his belt already, I have no interest in interview prep anymore unless it's relevant to my work and there's a clear ROI. The way I see it, no experienced candidate should have to do "interview prep" because the work that he/she does on the job should be more relevant to his/her ability to do the job than any form of interview prep. To make an extreme example, John Carmack's work time is probably better allocated actually doing work than brushing up on "Cracking the Coding Interview" problems. In an ideal world a software engineer's candidacy for a job would be based strictly on his ability to do the job, not academic trivia questions.

smcl 10y ago
This got me thinking. Since John Carmack is a person we can probably all agree is a talented programmer and all round smart guy ... I'm curious how he would fare if he was handed a standard set of Google/FB interview questions