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Is it possible the difference is Ivy League (with larger more discretionary budgets) vs. public university? Do the same rules even apply to the private institut

by rfrey 10y ago

Is it possible the difference is Ivy League (with larger more discretionary budgets) vs. public university? Do the same rules even apply to the private institutions?

adamnemecek 10y ago
Setup a github repo where people can contribute subtitles for the single classes.
neltnerb 10y ago
There have to be speech to text applications targeted at automatic captioning... they don't need 100% accuracy to help a lot of people, just block curse words. Was the court conclusion so onerous that autocaptioning wouldn't meet the requirements unless they actually paid a proofreader to check over everything by hand? This seems like software that would cost $100 at most.
- mirimir 10y ago
  Yes, the court rejected automatic captioning as too inaccurate.
- Bartweiss 10y ago
  CART is currently required, which takes a trained human transcriber.
- takluyver 10y ago
  Last time I saw Youtube's automatic subtitling, it was rubbish, and if Google hasn't got this solved, I doubt anyone has. Lectures are also likely to include some less common, discipline specific words, and to be hard to follow if the transcription doesn't record those accurately. So I can totally imagine that manual subtitling is necessary to meet the required standard.
- cgag 10y ago
  I don't know how good youtube's CC is versus other options, but it explicitly said youtube's wasn't good enough.
- DanBC 10y ago
  Everyone seems really focused on the lack of captions. The complainants were people with hearing impairment, but the DoJ are very clear: it's not just lack of captioning. https://news.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2016-08-30-UC-Berkeley-LOF.pdf https://news.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2016-08... > Between March and April 2015, the Department reviewed the sixteen MOOCs then available to the public on UC BerkeleyX. None of the courses reviewed were entirely accessible. For each course reviewed, it would be difficult for an individual with a hearing, vision, or manual disability to understand the content conveyed to course participants. Examples of barriers to access found across most course content included the following: > 1. Some videos did not have captions. As a result, the audio content in the video was inaccessible to people with hearing disabilities. > 2. Some videos were inaccessible to people with vision disabilities for several reasons. First, many videos did not provide an alternative way to access images or visual information (e.g., graphs, charts, animations, or urls on slides), such as audio description, alternative text, PDF files, or Word documents. Second, videos containing text sometimes had poor color contrast, which made the text unreadable for those with low vision. Finally, information was sometimes conveyed using color alone (for instance, a chart or graph would differentiate information only by color), which is not accessible to individuals with vision disabilities. > 3. Many documents were inaccessible to individuals with vision disabilities who use screen readers because the document was not formatted properly. For instance, headings were sometimes neither defined nor arranged in a logical order; page structure was not always defined, contained empty elements or was incorrectly defined; some tables did not have row and column headers defined; math equations were not always defined in a comprehendible way. Many PDFs either did not have a tag structure defined or the tag structure was incorrect. Individuals with vision disabilities who use screen readers would have a difficult time understanding and navigating the content. > 4. Some links were not keyboard accessible and did not indicate whether they were expandable or collapsible, so individuals with vision disabilities who use screen readers may not understand the purpose of the links and individuals with manual disabilities would not be able to use the links. > 5. Websites and materials that were integrated into the course material were not fully accessible etc. It's really worth reading the whole thing, but at the very least read up to page 5.
Bartweiss 10y ago
Per the link, private colleges are required to provide hearing support, and have been sued for not doing so, but they operate under somewhat less stringent restrictions. (Specifically, it looks like they're only required to accommodate their own students, and so wouldn't be targetable for making content freely available if no one internal pressed the matter?) And certainly, they aren't running hundred million dollar deficits like Berkeley currently is. https://www.nad.org/resources/education/higher-education/private-colleges-and-other-post-secondary-institutions/ https://www.nad.org/resources/education/higher-education/pri...
maxlybbert 10y ago
I understand that Bill Joy designed vi to work well over slow terminals because in the '70s Berkeley had a much smaller budget than, say, MIT (where emacs originated).
HarryHirsch 10y ago
Dunno how the law about public funding applies to private institutions. The Ivies are certainly receiving public funding through the many federal agencies, but the funds are earmarked for research support. On the other hand, you used to see so many lawsuits revolving around Title IX and sports, with the women ending up winning, and the sports programs are certainly not grant-supported.

by rfrey 10y ago

Is it possible the difference is Ivy League (with larger more discretionary budgets) vs. public university? Do the same rules even apply to the private institutions?

adamnemecek 10y ago

Setup a github repo where people can contribute subtitles for the single classes.

neltnerb 10y ago

There have to be speech to text applications targeted at automatic captioning... they don't need 100% accuracy to help a lot of people, just block curse words. Was the court conclusion so onerous that autocaptioning wouldn't meet the requirements unless they actually paid a proofreader to check over everything by hand? This seems like software that would cost $100 at most.

mirimir 10y ago
Yes, the court rejected automatic captioning as too inaccurate.
Bartweiss 10y ago
CART is currently required, which takes a trained human transcriber.
takluyver 10y ago
Last time I saw Youtube's automatic subtitling, it was rubbish, and if Google hasn't got this solved, I doubt anyone has. Lectures are also likely to include some less common, discipline specific words, and to be hard to follow if the transcription doesn't record those accurately. So I can totally imagine that manual subtitling is necessary to meet the required standard.
cgag 10y ago
I don't know how good youtube's CC is versus other options, but it explicitly said youtube's wasn't good enough.
DanBC 10y ago
Everyone seems really focused on the lack of captions. The complainants were people with hearing impairment, but the DoJ are very clear: it's not just lack of captioning. https://news.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2016-08-30-UC-Berkeley-LOF.pdf https://news.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2016-08... > Between March and April 2015, the Department reviewed the sixteen MOOCs then available to the public on UC BerkeleyX. None of the courses reviewed were entirely accessible. For each course reviewed, it would be difficult for an individual with a hearing, vision, or manual disability to understand the content conveyed to course participants. Examples of barriers to access found across most course content included the following: > 1. Some videos did not have captions. As a result, the audio content in the video was inaccessible to people with hearing disabilities. > 2. Some videos were inaccessible to people with vision disabilities for several reasons. First, many videos did not provide an alternative way to access images or visual information (e.g., graphs, charts, animations, or urls on slides), such as audio description, alternative text, PDF files, or Word documents. Second, videos containing text sometimes had poor color contrast, which made the text unreadable for those with low vision. Finally, information was sometimes conveyed using color alone (for instance, a chart or graph would differentiate information only by color), which is not accessible to individuals with vision disabilities. > 3. Many documents were inaccessible to individuals with vision disabilities who use screen readers because the document was not formatted properly. For instance, headings were sometimes neither defined nor arranged in a logical order; page structure was not always defined, contained empty elements or was incorrectly defined; some tables did not have row and column headers defined; math equations were not always defined in a comprehendible way. Many PDFs either did not have a tag structure defined or the tag structure was incorrect. Individuals with vision disabilities who use screen readers would have a difficult time understanding and navigating the content. > 4. Some links were not keyboard accessible and did not indicate whether they were expandable or collapsible, so individuals with vision disabilities who use screen readers may not understand the purpose of the links and individuals with manual disabilities would not be able to use the links. > 5. Websites and materials that were integrated into the course material were not fully accessible etc. It's really worth reading the whole thing, but at the very least read up to page 5.

Bartweiss 10y ago

Per the link, private colleges are required to provide hearing support, and have been sued for not doing so, but they operate under somewhat less stringent restrictions. (Specifically, it looks like they're only required to accommodate their own students, and so wouldn't be targetable for making content freely available if no one internal pressed the matter?) And certainly, they aren't running hundred million dollar deficits like Berkeley currently is. https://www.nad.org/resources/education/higher-education/private-colleges-and-other-post-secondary-institutions/ https://www.nad.org/resources/education/higher-education/pri...

maxlybbert 10y ago

I understand that Bill Joy designed vi to work well over slow terminals because in the '70s Berkeley had a much smaller budget than, say, MIT (where emacs originated).

HarryHirsch 10y ago

Dunno how the law about public funding applies to private institutions. The Ivies are certainly receiving public funding through the many federal agencies, but the funds are earmarked for research support. On the other hand, you used to see so many lawsuits revolving around Title IX and sports, with the women ending up winning, and the sports programs are certainly not grant-supported.