> Meanwhile in the real world aesthetics play a big role in corporate/brand identity and corporate that care enough will build horrendous kludges to work around

> Meanwhile in the real world aesthetics play a big role in corporate/brand identity and corporate that care enough will build horrendous kludges to work around the limitations of browser styling The browser scrollbar shouldn't be part of the corporate/brand identity any more than the browser menu, address bar or navigation buttons. Navigation belongs to the user, not the webpage designer.