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If it can't run windows 7 like older processors can, then I would argue it is not compatible.

by 0x0 10y ago

cm2187 10y ago
Only because Microsoft wrote a line of code that says if CPU is this model than do not run. There is a big irony in Microsoft writing that sort of code given the efforts they have to go through to make applications with similar code (if OS version > 7 then do not run) run anyway by lying to the application about the windows version.
- CJefferson 10y ago
  No, it's because of missing drivers for the chipset. Try running an old Linux or bsd kernel on these new chips -- it won't work either.
  - cm2187 10y ago
    But the drivers aren't part of the OS nor are they written by microsoft. I don't see why Microsoft would block the OS running on a particular generation of CPU.
    - icebraining 10y ago
      If they know the vendor won't write them, it could be argued that they're just stopping the users from making a mistake.
      - einr 10y ago
        The vendor does write them, at least in some instances. Gigabyte has explicitely announced support for Windows 7 on their new AMD Ryzen boards. Reference: http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-5-rev-10#sp http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-5-rev-10...
  - 0x0 10y ago
    But apparently the CPU and chipset work well enough to run enough of the operating system that windows update can display a GUI error message with error code "Code 80240037", which is what the OP link to. Who would design a chipset that is backwards compatible enough to boot windows and all its services in GUI mode, but not backwards compatible enough to run windows update? If you run an old Linux or bsd kernel on these chips, do you get to login to X only to find a kernel error when you run apt-get update?
  - caf 10y ago
    An old Linux or BSD kernel will work just fine on these new chips.
- seanp2k2 10y ago
  Can't reply due to depth by sibling comment is correct; Ryzen even needs 4.10 to work right (e.g. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176323/linux/kernel-410-gives-linux-support-for-zen-multithreading.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176323/linux/kernel-410-give... ) See also: UEFI, >4GB of RAM, booting GPT disks, booting from PCI-E devices (or heck, even USB or CD, though that's been supported for a while now, but boot floppies used to be the norm), AHCI (old SATA stuff would emulate IDE). This is nothing new.

If it can't run windows 7 like older processors can, then I would argue it is not compatible.

by 0x0 10y ago

If it can't run windows 7 like older processors can, then I would argue it is not compatible.

Only because Microsoft wrote a line of code that says if CPU is this model than do not run. There is a big irony in Microsoft writing that sort of code given the efforts they have to go through to make applications with similar code (if OS version > 7 then do not run) run anyway by lying to the application about the windows version.

CJefferson 10y ago
No, it's because of missing drivers for the chipset. Try running an old Linux or bsd kernel on these new chips -- it won't work either.
- cm2187 10y ago
  But the drivers aren't part of the OS nor are they written by microsoft. I don't see why Microsoft would block the OS running on a particular generation of CPU.
  - icebraining 10y ago
    If they know the vendor won't write them, it could be argued that they're just stopping the users from making a mistake.
    - einr 10y ago
      The vendor does write them, at least in some instances. Gigabyte has explicitely announced support for Windows 7 on their new AMD Ryzen boards. Reference: http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-5-rev-10#sp http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-5-rev-10...
- 0x0 10y ago
  But apparently the CPU and chipset work well enough to run enough of the operating system that windows update can display a GUI error message with error code "Code 80240037", which is what the OP link to. Who would design a chipset that is backwards compatible enough to boot windows and all its services in GUI mode, but not backwards compatible enough to run windows update? If you run an old Linux or bsd kernel on these chips, do you get to login to X only to find a kernel error when you run apt-get update?
- caf 10y ago
  An old Linux or BSD kernel will work just fine on these new chips.
seanp2k2 10y ago
Can't reply due to depth by sibling comment is correct; Ryzen even needs 4.10 to work right (e.g. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176323/linux/kernel-410-gives-linux-support-for-zen-multithreading.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176323/linux/kernel-410-give... ) See also: UEFI, >4GB of RAM, booting GPT disks, booting from PCI-E devices (or heck, even USB or CD, though that's been supported for a while now, but boot floppies used to be the norm), AHCI (old SATA stuff would emulate IDE). This is nothing new.