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I wonder if you can get a refund from Microsoft if you purchased windows 7/8 retail. Doesn't the system requirements usually just spell out "such and such CPU o
by 0x0 10y ago
I wonder if you can get a refund from Microsoft if you purchased windows 7/8 retail. Doesn't the system requirements usually just spell out "such and such CPU or better"? Suddenly the requirements have changed post-purchase to "such and such CPU or worse"?
Also I wonder if this backfires on Intel. Why even bother providing 16bit and 32bit cpu modes if the CPUs aren't backwards compatible.
- cm2187 10y agoBut is the CPU not compatible? I was under the impression Microsoft artificially creates an incompatibility in a shameless move to push users to an ad based OS. I wasn't aware that any cpu instruction had been removed that would prevent Win7 from running normally.
- 0x0 10y agoIf it can't run windows 7 like older processors can, then I would argue it is not compatible.
- cm2187 10y agoOnly because Microsoft wrote a line of code that says if CPU is this model than do not run. There is a big irony in Microsoft writing that sort of code given the efforts they have to go through to make applications with similar code (if OS version > 7 then do not run) run anyway by lying to the application about the windows version.
- CJefferson 10y agoNo, it's because of missing drivers for the chipset. Try running an old Linux or bsd kernel on these new chips -- it won't work either.
- cm2187 10y agoBut the drivers aren't part of the OS nor are they written by microsoft. I don't see why Microsoft would block the OS running on a particular generation of CPU.
- icebraining 10y agoIf they know the vendor won't write them, it could be argued that they're just stopping the users from making a mistake.
- einr 10y agoThe vendor does write them, at least in some instances. Gigabyte has explicitely announced support for Windows 7 on their new AMD Ryzen boards. Reference: http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-5-rev-10#sp http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AX370-Gaming-5-rev-10...
- 0x0 10y agoBut apparently the CPU and chipset work well enough to run enough of the operating system that windows update can display a GUI error message with error code "Code 80240037", which is what the OP link to. Who would design a chipset that is backwards compatible enough to boot windows and all its services in GUI mode, but not backwards compatible enough to run windows update? If you run an old Linux or bsd kernel on these chips, do you get to login to X only to find a kernel error when you run apt-get update?
- caf 10y agoAn old Linux or BSD kernel will work just fine on these new chips.
- seanp2k2 10y agoCan't reply due to depth by sibling comment is correct; Ryzen even needs 4.10 to work right (e.g. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176323/linux/kernel-410-gives-linux-support-for-zen-multithreading.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176323/linux/kernel-410-give... ) See also: UEFI, >4GB of RAM, booting GPT disks, booting from PCI-E devices (or heck, even USB or CD, though that's been supported for a while now, but boot floppies used to be the norm), AHCI (old SATA stuff would emulate IDE). This is nothing new.