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This is super interesting. It's also interesting to see the converse - who isn't moving anywhere. Go, Elixir, Dart, and Clojure all seem pretty happy!

by urs2102 10y ago

throwaway729 10y ago
This is an absolutely terrible methodology for asking that question. People tend to blog about major language changes. Very few C# shops/devs are publishing blog posts about how they're still using C# this year. Unfortunately, you'd probably be hard-pressed to find a decent methodology. But indeed, "we used this language for 10 years without thinking about switching" is a much more interesting metric than "we switched languages 3 months ago".
- urs2102 10y ago
  Yeah true. My mistake, but fair point. I'm not exactly sure how to measure that to be honest. Seeing what people used for ten years without switching would be pretty neat.
  - fauigerzigerk 10y ago
    Just look at the labour market. Even when companies don't switch languages they constantly have employee turnover. The only problem is that the labour market is a lagging indicator. Perhaps the best approach is to combine statistics about active switchers (like the OP) with labour market statistics.
cperciva 10y ago
Alas, this data says nothing about how many people aren't switching languages. The small number of people switching away from Go, Elixir, Dart, and Clojure might simply be because you can't switch away from something you've never used...
- urs2102 10y ago
  Yeah you're totally right. Also that they haven't been around for too long either. Didn't occur to me, but makes sense.
eksemplar 10y ago
Is it though? The public sector in Denmark has been and will continue to use JAVA and C#. This is where a lot of the programming jobs are, mind you, yet if you look at who's switching to what and what languages are "trending" you'd see things like Go here as well. Node as an example has been trending in my area for long enough for there to be job listings. Yet if I look at the job listings 90% of them are for JAVA, C# and .NET or PHP. In fact in a region of 1,5 million people where node has been trending for a while, there are 0 Node related job openings this morning.
pjmlp 10y ago
Our workhorses are Java, .NET,Objective-C, Swift, JavaScript and C++. I don't see it changing until customers request any other kind of deliverables. Oh and we have zero projects in any sort of public repos.

This is super interesting. It's also interesting to see the converse - who isn't moving anywhere. Go, Elixir, Dart, and Clojure all seem pretty happy!

by urs2102 10y ago

This is super interesting. It's also interesting to see the converse - who isn't moving anywhere. Go, Elixir, Dart, and Clojure all seem pretty happy!

throwaway729 10y ago

This is an absolutely terrible methodology for asking that question. People tend to blog about major language changes. Very few C# shops/devs are publishing blog posts about how they're still using C# this year. Unfortunately, you'd probably be hard-pressed to find a decent methodology. But indeed, "we used this language for 10 years without thinking about switching" is a much more interesting metric than "we switched languages 3 months ago".

urs2102 10y ago
Yeah true. My mistake, but fair point. I'm not exactly sure how to measure that to be honest. Seeing what people used for ten years without switching would be pretty neat.
- fauigerzigerk 10y ago
  Just look at the labour market. Even when companies don't switch languages they constantly have employee turnover. The only problem is that the labour market is a lagging indicator. Perhaps the best approach is to combine statistics about active switchers (like the OP) with labour market statistics.

cperciva 10y ago

Alas, this data says nothing about how many people aren't switching languages. The small number of people switching away from Go, Elixir, Dart, and Clojure might simply be because you can't switch away from something you've never used...

urs2102 10y ago
Yeah you're totally right. Also that they haven't been around for too long either. Didn't occur to me, but makes sense.

eksemplar 10y ago

Is it though? The public sector in Denmark has been and will continue to use JAVA and C#. This is where a lot of the programming jobs are, mind you, yet if you look at who's switching to what and what languages are "trending" you'd see things like Go here as well. Node as an example has been trending in my area for long enough for there to be job listings. Yet if I look at the job listings 90% of them are for JAVA, C# and .NET or PHP. In fact in a region of 1,5 million people where node has been trending for a while, there are 0 Node related job openings this morning.

pjmlp 10y ago

Our workhorses are Java, .NET,Objective-C, Swift, JavaScript and C++. I don't see it changing until customers request any other kind of deliverables. Oh and we have zero projects in any sort of public repos.