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Indeed this problem goes away. A new one pops up though: mediocre service, such as having to ask many times for refilling the tap water bottle or get condiments

by vmarsy 10y ago

Indeed this problem goes away. A new one pops up though: mediocre service, such as having to ask many times for refilling the tap water bottle or get condiments, and struggling to get the waiter's attention in general.

shard 10y ago
I have not noticed any overall service problems in Korea, Japan, or China.
- lz400 10y ago
  In fact, service in those countries is much better than in the US. I would even say that if there's a correlation between tipping and quality of service at the country level, is negative.
monksy 10y ago
I have not seen this in most of Europe. I've seen more than enough times in the US. When I get service where the person just disappears for a long time and never pays attention to the table. I will refuse to tip and write the issue on the check.
xor1 10y ago
>mediocre service, such as having to ask many times for refilling the tap water bottle or get condiments, and struggling to get the waiter's attention in general. This is already the case at the vast majority of restaurants I frequent. It's not as horrible as you make it seem. A significant upside that I don't see getting enough attention in this thread is that you don't have to worry about whether or not staff (front and back) are having their wages and/or tips withheld. This is extremely common in California when workers are being paid under the table.
madeofpalk 10y ago
Coming from a country that doesn't enforce tipping, I have not found a noticeable lack of customer service compared to the US. In fact the opposite - I find service at restaurants in the US to be noticeably fake and insincere. I'm not sure why you don't think that tips are the only incentive for businesses to have good customer service. Places with poor waitstaff drive customers away, and that restaurant goes out of business or the waiter's fired.
- falsedan 10y ago
  > I find service at restaurants in the US to be noticeably fake and insincere Also, really really slow! They gotta show off their serious "oh mx customer, look at what a unbelievable level of service I, your server, am giving you, the money-haver, right now" while 10 more people patiently wait in line for their turn on the throne. I much prefer surly service, if it means I can get my coffee and get out on my way a minute faster. That's time I could be spending with my loved ones.

by vmarsy 10y ago

shard 10y ago

I have not noticed any overall service problems in Korea, Japan, or China.

lz400 10y ago
In fact, service in those countries is much better than in the US. I would even say that if there's a correlation between tipping and quality of service at the country level, is negative.

monksy 10y ago

I have not seen this in most of Europe. I've seen more than enough times in the US. When I get service where the person just disappears for a long time and never pays attention to the table. I will refuse to tip and write the issue on the check.

xor1 10y ago

>mediocre service, such as having to ask many times for refilling the tap water bottle or get condiments, and struggling to get the waiter's attention in general. This is already the case at the vast majority of restaurants I frequent. It's not as horrible as you make it seem. A significant upside that I don't see getting enough attention in this thread is that you don't have to worry about whether or not staff (front and back) are having their wages and/or tips withheld. This is extremely common in California when workers are being paid under the table.

madeofpalk 10y ago

Coming from a country that doesn't enforce tipping, I have not found a noticeable lack of customer service compared to the US. In fact the opposite - I find service at restaurants in the US to be noticeably fake and insincere. I'm not sure why you don't think that tips are the only incentive for businesses to have good customer service. Places with poor waitstaff drive customers away, and that restaurant goes out of business or the waiter's fired.

falsedan 10y ago
> I find service at restaurants in the US to be noticeably fake and insincere Also, really really slow! They gotta show off their serious "oh mx customer, look at what a unbelievable level of service I, your server, am giving you, the money-haver, right now" while 10 more people patiently wait in line for their turn on the throne. I much prefer surly service, if it means I can get my coffee and get out on my way a minute faster. That's time I could be spending with my loved ones.