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There is universal agreement about tipping at restaurants. Tips of 15% (or 20%?) are definitely customary, expected, priced-in. People who don't leave tips afte

by arebop 10y ago

There is universal agreement about tipping at restaurants. Tips of 15% (or 20%?) are definitely customary, expected, priced-in. People who don't leave tips after experiencing decent service are definitely not paying their fair share. Uber traditionally operates on the service-included model. That was very well established before some drivers agitated for a change. Since then, Uber has adopted an inconsistent policy [https://help.uber.com/h/f7385bf5-1748-4fd0-a57f-3d9b62facc45 https://help.uber.com/h/f7385bf5-1748-4fd0-a57f-3d9b62facc45]. In this condition, I don't believe users have any moral obligation to tip. Drivers should also have very wide expectations about whether or how much tip they will receive. If drivers are unhappy with their Uber comp, they can drive for Lyft or on their own account or whatever. There is no need for riders to condescend to intervene in these labor disputes by bestowing tips, and in fact doing so may encourage the kind of abuse that inevitably follows the establishment of customary tipping (minimum wage exemptions and pressure for laborers to evade taxes).

iLoch 10y ago
> There is universal agreement about tipping at restaurants. Tips of 15% (or 20%?) are definitely customary, expected, priced-in. People who don't leave tips after experiencing decent service are definitely not paying their fair share. Is this a joke? Not only is it not universal, it's not even customary. The agreement you have with the restaurant is this: you sit down, are served, eat food, and pay. Baseline service is free, that's what you're paying the restaurant for. If the person waiting on me has a problem with me not tipping, they're welcome to take their wage issue up with their employer. I can only say this as someone who supports fair wages for service industries though. I believe a lower minimum wage for restaurant/bar services is a problem. But absolutely under no circumstance will I provide a compulsory tip. It's not my job to pay the employees. There is a secondary agreement you have with the waiting staff: if you go above and beyond your job description to provide excellent service, you may be rewarded as recognition. Even then, many countries believe that excellence to be part of the job, so tips are not accepted. Tip if you're provided with above standard service, don't if you're not. What's hard about that?
- tlrobinson 10y ago
  Where are you located? 15% for average service is definitely customary at sit-down restaurants in the United States.
  - bitwize 10y ago
    Do you know anyone who actually works in food service? I do, and they'd be pissed if everyone skimped with a 15% tip. It's 20% for adequate service, 25% for excellent.
    - iLoch 10y ago
      This is hilarious, and sad. What a broken system.
    - dorfsmay 10y ago
      More proof that tipping is wrong, local variances with no way to find the local standard!
    - tlrobinson 10y ago
      Well that's news to me. I generally tip 20% and thought I was being generous...
    - defen 10y ago
      I agree that 20% is the new normal. 10-15 years ago, it was 15% for adequate, 20% for excellent (that's my memory of major US cities on both coasts). Tip inflation is real.
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    - ukd1 10y ago
      25% is crazy.
      - 10y ago
nommm-nommm 10y ago
It's not universal, you'll hear a lot of arguments about it, everyone has different ideas. When I was growing up I was taught 10% was standard for restaurants. I don't know if its because my parents were cheap (probably not) or that poor people have a different idea about what's reasonable. Then when I got older I heard 15%. Now that I'm working a very well paid job people say 20% is "standard." Now in the last year I have been hearing rumbling that 20% is stingy and outdated. I am started to feel very extorted by this so I've reduced my tips in response and reduced my frequency of going to establishments that guilt me into leaving tips. (Usually if the food is over priced I don't bother with percentages.)

by arebop 10y ago

iLoch 10y ago

> There is universal agreement about tipping at restaurants. Tips of 15% (or 20%?) are definitely customary, expected, priced-in. People who don't leave tips after experiencing decent service are definitely not paying their fair share. Is this a joke? Not only is it not universal, it's not even customary. The agreement you have with the restaurant is this: you sit down, are served, eat food, and pay. Baseline service is free, that's what you're paying the restaurant for. If the person waiting on me has a problem with me not tipping, they're welcome to take their wage issue up with their employer. I can only say this as someone who supports fair wages for service industries though. I believe a lower minimum wage for restaurant/bar services is a problem. But absolutely under no circumstance will I provide a compulsory tip. It's not my job to pay the employees. There is a secondary agreement you have with the waiting staff: if you go above and beyond your job description to provide excellent service, you may be rewarded as recognition. Even then, many countries believe that excellence to be part of the job, so tips are not accepted. Tip if you're provided with above standard service, don't if you're not. What's hard about that?

tlrobinson 10y ago
Where are you located? 15% for average service is definitely customary at sit-down restaurants in the United States.
- bitwize 10y ago
  Do you know anyone who actually works in food service? I do, and they'd be pissed if everyone skimped with a 15% tip. It's 20% for adequate service, 25% for excellent.
  - iLoch 10y ago
    This is hilarious, and sad. What a broken system.
  - dorfsmay 10y ago
    More proof that tipping is wrong, local variances with no way to find the local standard!
  - tlrobinson 10y ago
    Well that's news to me. I generally tip 20% and thought I was being generous...
  - defen 10y ago
    I agree that 20% is the new normal. 10-15 years ago, it was 15% for adequate, 20% for excellent (that's my memory of major US cities on both coasts). Tip inflation is real.
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  - ukd1 10y ago
    25% is crazy.
    - 10y ago

nommm-nommm 10y ago

It's not universal, you'll hear a lot of arguments about it, everyone has different ideas. When I was growing up I was taught 10% was standard for restaurants. I don't know if its because my parents were cheap (probably not) or that poor people have a different idea about what's reasonable. Then when I got older I heard 15%. Now that I'm working a very well paid job people say 20% is "standard." Now in the last year I have been hearing rumbling that 20% is stingy and outdated. I am started to feel very extorted by this so I've reduced my tips in response and reduced my frequency of going to establishments that guilt me into leaving tips. (Usually if the food is over priced I don't bother with percentages.)