It's the gitlab vs github stand - self hosted vs hosted saas. Gitlab is incredible... but I really cant host right now. Same for mattermost. I do believe that

It's the gitlab vs github stand - self hosted vs hosted saas. Gitlab is incredible... but I really cant host right now. Same for mattermost. I do believe that the ability to run a fairly large hosted system at scale and with incredible performance is what the gitter guys bring to the table.