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Service industries. It's pretty simple. Any job where the worker is unlikely to be appreciated by their boss for going above and beyond but it makes a big diffe

by ebbv 10y ago

Service industries. It's pretty simple. Any job where the worker is unlikely to be appreciated by their boss for going above and beyond but it makes a big difference to me.

mahyarm 10y ago
In practice it's any sort of delivery job that you personally interact with the worker. It's pretty uncanny actually. Taxis, waiters, bartenders, some couriers & porters. People who have worked those jobs feel strongly about tips. People who were left out of the tipped class feel like it was bullshit. A bunch of others expand with a communal tip jar, but it's very rare for anyone to care about putting something in the jar. You don't tip cafe workers, convenience store workers, retail workers and so on even though they get paid the same minimum wage.
quickConclusion 10y ago
The cook in the kitchen gets no tip. Unlikely to be appreciated, gets no share of the tip, and could make my dish a delight, or spit in it. The guy/girl says "i'm gonna be your waiter tonight", and that's the last time you see them, others bring the dishes and clean the table. And by law, they cannot share the tip. When I pay for service, I'd like the employer and the market to figure out for me what's a fair wage. Don't put it on me, 1) I'll most likely be wrong and unfair, and 2) I just cannot tip the cook.
- hamandcheese 10y ago
  In America (well, at least in Florida), policy at some restaurants dictates that servers "tip out" some percentage of their tips to the cook and ancillary staff. It's most certainly not illegal here.
- Spooky23 10y ago
  The restaurants I worked in were pretty openly corrupt about that sort of thing. If you didn't tip out the hostess and busboys, you wouldn't get customers or clean tables. If your tables turned more slowly, you would eventually get canned. The cooks all made more money. Front of house people made like $2.25/hr (mid 90s), the line cooks made $12.
- mod 10y ago
  > And by law, they cannot share the tip. That's absolutely not true.
  - quickConclusion 10y ago
    You forced me to check my sources. Thank you. I cannot just trust my memory. Looks like the front of the house can pool their tips in many states in the USA indeed. But according to Nolo, they cannot pool with people who typically get no tips. "Only employees who regularly receive tips can be part of the pool. Employees can't be required to share their tips with employees who don't usually receive their own tips, like dishwashers or cooks." http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tip-pooling-credits-service-employees-29804.html http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tip-pooling-credits-s...
    - nickjarboe 10y ago
      Just because it is not legal to force servers to share some with the bar backs and the cooks does not mean it is not expected in most places. Not all social customs should be codified in law. Some flexibility in life is good.

by ebbv 10y ago

Service industries. It's pretty simple. Any job where the worker is unlikely to be appreciated by their boss for going above and beyond but it makes a big difference to me.

mahyarm 10y ago

In practice it's any sort of delivery job that you personally interact with the worker. It's pretty uncanny actually. Taxis, waiters, bartenders, some couriers & porters. People who have worked those jobs feel strongly about tips. People who were left out of the tipped class feel like it was bullshit. A bunch of others expand with a communal tip jar, but it's very rare for anyone to care about putting something in the jar. You don't tip cafe workers, convenience store workers, retail workers and so on even though they get paid the same minimum wage.

quickConclusion 10y ago

The cook in the kitchen gets no tip. Unlikely to be appreciated, gets no share of the tip, and could make my dish a delight, or spit in it. The guy/girl says "i'm gonna be your waiter tonight", and that's the last time you see them, others bring the dishes and clean the table. And by law, they cannot share the tip. When I pay for service, I'd like the employer and the market to figure out for me what's a fair wage. Don't put it on me, 1) I'll most likely be wrong and unfair, and 2) I just cannot tip the cook.

hamandcheese 10y ago
In America (well, at least in Florida), policy at some restaurants dictates that servers "tip out" some percentage of their tips to the cook and ancillary staff. It's most certainly not illegal here.
Spooky23 10y ago
The restaurants I worked in were pretty openly corrupt about that sort of thing. If you didn't tip out the hostess and busboys, you wouldn't get customers or clean tables. If your tables turned more slowly, you would eventually get canned. The cooks all made more money. Front of house people made like $2.25/hr (mid 90s), the line cooks made $12.
mod 10y ago
> And by law, they cannot share the tip. That's absolutely not true.
- quickConclusion 10y ago
  You forced me to check my sources. Thank you. I cannot just trust my memory. Looks like the front of the house can pool their tips in many states in the USA indeed. But according to Nolo, they cannot pool with people who typically get no tips. "Only employees who regularly receive tips can be part of the pool. Employees can't be required to share their tips with employees who don't usually receive their own tips, like dishwashers or cooks." http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tip-pooling-credits-service-employees-29804.html http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tip-pooling-credits-s...
  - nickjarboe 10y ago
    Just because it is not legal to force servers to share some with the bar backs and the cooks does not mean it is not expected in most places. Not all social customs should be codified in law. Some flexibility in life is good.