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AP2 is truly dangerous. It's incomprehensible they would release something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ1XLqc5IUg https://www.youtube.com/watch

AP2 is truly dangerous. It's incomprehensible they would release something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ1XLqc5IUg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ1XLqc5IUg I guess it's a good reality check for autonomous cars when you take away the LIDAR toys. One rather important point is that the car often doesn't realize it is screwing up, because quelle surprise, realizing you don't have a correctly detected lane can be just as difficult as detecting one in the first place.

owenversteeg 10y ago
Wow. That guy is going nineteen miles per hour on a simple road in daylight and the car literally crossed to the wrong side of the road in nine seconds! That's an absolute disaster.
FireBeyond 10y ago
Wow. That is a trainwreck. Or car wreck. How much value are they expecting to get from riding the "Beta" train? There's a huge difference between their self-congratulatory demos of features and the reality here. Oh, and you have to pay for this.
ClassyJacket 10y ago
I can't afford a Tesla anyway, but even if I could I'd be wary about buying one on the promise that the Hardware 2 cars "will" get full self driving. I can easily see a new version with Lidar coming along and all those old cars not getting that full self-driving update after all, even in places where the law allows it.
wwalser 10y ago
I was under the impression that AP* was for keeping the car in a lane on the interstate. Is it suppose to be capable of navigating rural roads like the video shows?
- revelation 10y ago
  I'm not fully up to date with that, but I think it was meant to be enabled for more residential streets recently? And the AP2 is also still speed limited making it somewhat useless on interstates? In any case, I'm pretty sure there shouldn't be a button that instantly makes your car swerve into the ongoing lane..
  - wwalser 10y ago
    Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of the speed limiting, that does sound rather useless.
- makomk 10y ago
  The initial rollout of Autosteer for AP2 was apparently speed-limited to below 45mph: http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/21/14347698/tesla-autopilot-hardware-two-autosteer-limited http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/21/14347698/tesla-autopilot-h... So this may well be the only place where it could be safely tested.
dmode 10y ago
AP2 is not dangerous. I use it everyday to commute 60 miles round-trip. It can become dangerous if you plan to use it the way it is not designed to.
Fricken 10y ago
Before Tesla Legal bared their teeth George Hotz was going to buy a Tesla, hack it and run his own proprietary software on AP2's hardware. It would've been hilarious because Comma.ai is a tiny little fly by night operation outperforming AP2 using cheap, over the counter hardware. That local roads update was an embarrassment, what was Tesla thinking? I mean, they're talking L5 by the end of the year, and this is what their autopilot division has to show for themselves.
hsod 10y ago
Wow that was shockingly bad. These seem like very standard conditions. Was there some confounding factor? He mentioned the sun being right in front of him...
username223 10y ago
That video supports what I've suspected: the SV self-driving car projects are training on wide American roads in perfect Californian weather, so that's where they might work. Put one of these things on a poorly-paved rural road or a snowy mountain pass, or in a driving rainstorm, and it will disengage and/or kill you. Just today I drove by a temporary orange sign saying "X St. closed; use Y St. detour," which I'm sure would have confused a fully autonomous vehicle. I bet we'll get fully autonomous cars to drive on existing roads about the same time we create strong AI.
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NamTaf 10y ago
I've railed on this for a while. I'm glad people are starting to find these edge cases, thank god in situations that don't end up with fatalities. Only when users see these issues will Telsa stop getting away with "beta testing" software that can literally kill you if it screws up.

owenversteeg 10y ago

Wow. That guy is going nineteen miles per hour on a simple road in daylight and the car literally crossed to the wrong side of the road in nine seconds! That's an absolute disaster.

FireBeyond 10y ago

Wow. That is a trainwreck. Or car wreck. How much value are they expecting to get from riding the "Beta" train? There's a huge difference between their self-congratulatory demos of features and the reality here. Oh, and you have to pay for this.

ClassyJacket 10y ago

I can't afford a Tesla anyway, but even if I could I'd be wary about buying one on the promise that the Hardware 2 cars "will" get full self driving. I can easily see a new version with Lidar coming along and all those old cars not getting that full self-driving update after all, even in places where the law allows it.

wwalser 10y ago

I was under the impression that AP* was for keeping the car in a lane on the interstate. Is it suppose to be capable of navigating rural roads like the video shows?

revelation 10y ago
I'm not fully up to date with that, but I think it was meant to be enabled for more residential streets recently? And the AP2 is also still speed limited making it somewhat useless on interstates? In any case, I'm pretty sure there shouldn't be a button that instantly makes your car swerve into the ongoing lane..
- wwalser 10y ago
  Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of the speed limiting, that does sound rather useless.
makomk 10y ago
The initial rollout of Autosteer for AP2 was apparently speed-limited to below 45mph: http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/21/14347698/tesla-autopilot-hardware-two-autosteer-limited http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/21/14347698/tesla-autopilot-h... So this may well be the only place where it could be safely tested.

dmode 10y ago

AP2 is not dangerous. I use it everyday to commute 60 miles round-trip. It can become dangerous if you plan to use it the way it is not designed to.

Fricken 10y ago

Before Tesla Legal bared their teeth George Hotz was going to buy a Tesla, hack it and run his own proprietary software on AP2's hardware. It would've been hilarious because Comma.ai is a tiny little fly by night operation outperforming AP2 using cheap, over the counter hardware. That local roads update was an embarrassment, what was Tesla thinking? I mean, they're talking L5 by the end of the year, and this is what their autopilot division has to show for themselves.

hsod 10y ago

Wow that was shockingly bad. These seem like very standard conditions. Was there some confounding factor? He mentioned the sun being right in front of him...

username223 10y ago

That video supports what I've suspected: the SV self-driving car projects are training on wide American roads in perfect Californian weather, so that's where they might work. Put one of these things on a poorly-paved rural road or a snowy mountain pass, or in a driving rainstorm, and it will disengage and/or kill you. Just today I drove by a temporary orange sign saying "X St. closed; use Y St. detour," which I'm sure would have confused a fully autonomous vehicle. I bet we'll get fully autonomous cars to drive on existing roads about the same time we create strong AI.

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NamTaf 10y ago

I've railed on this for a while. I'm glad people are starting to find these edge cases, thank god in situations that don't end up with fatalities. Only when users see these issues will Telsa stop getting away with "beta testing" software that can literally kill you if it screws up.