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All orthodox Jews ascribe to this. I'm not sure how you can claim this is a 20th-century interpretation as I'm currently looking at writings from ~2000 years a

All orthodox Jews ascribe to this. I'm not sure how you can claim this is a 20th-century interpretation as I'm currently looking at writings from ~2000 years ago (the Mishnah and Talmud) that discuss it.

fusiongyro 10y ago
Yeah, but orthodox Jews are like 10% of Jews. As a conservative Jew, I think this view is a minority position amongst all the liberal movements.
- relics443 10y ago
  True. I was mostly stating that in regards to the viewpoint of orthodox Jews as espoused in the GP. My main point was that it is not an idea that came about in the 20th century.
wycats 10y ago
I don't agree that all orthodox jews subscribe to it, although I do agree that it's a commonly held belief. The universal values held by Orthodox Jews are the articles of faith of Maimonides ("Rambam")[1], which are included in regular prayers. Maimonides is, as a result, extremely well regarded among Orthodox Jews as a source of values. Maimonides took the position that Genesis (Bereishis) was to be considered allegorical when its plain reading conflicted with science[2]. This was a source of debate among his contemporaries, and it's uncontroversially the case that he strongly believed this. As a former Orthodox Jew, I don't think that Orthodox Jews are doing themselves any favors by teaching their children that if they believe that the Torah is not in conflict with science, they are violating basic, universal Orthodox values when Maimonides disagrees with that point of view. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides#The_13_principles_of_faith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides#The_13_principles_o... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegorical_interpretations_of_Genesis#Rabbinic_teachings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegorical_interpretations_of...

4 ms·

All orthodox Jews ascribe to this. I'm not sure how you can claim this is a 20th-century interpretation as I'm currently looking at writings from ~2000 years a

by relics443 10y ago

fusiongyro 10y ago
Yeah, but orthodox Jews are like 10% of Jews. As a conservative Jew, I think this view is a minority position amongst all the liberal movements.
- relics443 10y ago
  True. I was mostly stating that in regards to the viewpoint of orthodox Jews as espoused in the GP. My main point was that it is not an idea that came about in the 20th century.
wycats 10y ago
I don't agree that all orthodox jews subscribe to it, although I do agree that it's a commonly held belief. The universal values held by Orthodox Jews are the articles of faith of Maimonides ("Rambam")[1], which are included in regular prayers. Maimonides is, as a result, extremely well regarded among Orthodox Jews as a source of values. Maimonides took the position that Genesis (Bereishis) was to be considered allegorical when its plain reading conflicted with science[2]. This was a source of debate among his contemporaries, and it's uncontroversially the case that he strongly believed this. As a former Orthodox Jew, I don't think that Orthodox Jews are doing themselves any favors by teaching their children that if they believe that the Torah is not in conflict with science, they are violating basic, universal Orthodox values when Maimonides disagrees with that point of view. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides#The_13_principles_of_faith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides#The_13_principles_o... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegorical_interpretations_of_Genesis#Rabbinic_teachings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegorical_interpretations_of...