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"Next piece of wow: we will be open sourcing all of the Gitter" The Gitlab folks really know how to do it. It is of course the rational approach to it, but sti

by caio1982 10y ago

"Next piece of wow: we will be open sourcing all of the Gitter" The Gitlab folks really know how to do it. It is of course the rational approach to it, but still, that's a bold move.

nerdponx 10y ago
Do we know what protocol Gitter runs on top of?
- zbuttram 10y ago
  Protocol? I kind of assumed things like Slack, Gitter, etc. were just using websockets that communicate with their backend.
  - Duhck 10y ago
    Slack is built on top of IRC. Presumably Gitter is as well
    - edoceo 10y ago
      Not on top of IRC. Just similar in that they are both chat like
    - detaro 10y ago
      > Slack is built on top of IRC Source? First time I hear that, and it seems unlikely, since they have quite a few features that don't fit nicely in stock IRC.
      - kuschku 10y ago
        I’m not sure there are any Slack features that don’t fit into stock IRC v3. Basically everything they do is already supported or a draft. (Now just everyone has to implement it)
        detaro 10y ago
        Now, possibly. But unless I'm totally wrong on the timeline, IRCv3 (not even talking about implementations) wasn't even close to that level when Slack started and thus is unlikely to be the base of their product. And even now, I wouldn't include v3 yet when talking about "stock IRC" in this context.
    - owaislone 10y ago
      Any source on that. I don't think it follows any protocols at all. Just implements it's own thing.
    - vertex-four 10y ago
      Slack is definitely not built on top of IRC. There is, however, an IRC interface to Slack.
- suprememoocow 10y ago
  Gitter uses a proprietary websocket protocol built on top of the Bayeux protocol: https://docs.cometd.org/current/reference/ https://docs.cometd.org/current/reference/ More details can be found on the developer site: https://developer.gitter.im/docs/faye-endpoint https://developer.gitter.im/docs/faye-endpoint We also have an open-source IRC bridge: https://github.com/gitterHQ/irc-bridge https://github.com/gitterHQ/irc-bridge
  - scrollaway 10y ago
    I prefer matterbridge :) Supports more than IRC, and supports multiple gateways at once: https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/ https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/
    - suprememoocow 10y ago
      Depending on the availability of a Bayeux client for Golang, it looks like something that could be integrated quite easily.
      - scrollaway 10y ago
        I don't know how Gitter support in matterbridge is implemented but it is great! Do try it out. I've been running a three-way discord+gitter+irc gateway for a long time.
  - liebersto 10y ago
    And there is a matrix.org/gitter bridge already in use by riot.im
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connorshea 10y ago
For us it was natural to open the source code, we prefer to work that way. All our source code is publicly viewable and most of it is open source.
- ocdtrekkie 10y ago
  This just makes me hope you guys buy more things.
  - connorshea 10y ago
    Ha! Any suggestions? ;)
    - jensvdh 10y ago
      waffle.io
      - ferentchak 10y ago
        I doubt CA will let it go. Now poaching Homeyer might be possible. ;)
    - kstenerud 10y ago
      A cross platform GUI git client that doesn't suck!
      - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
        This is a pretty great idea. For what I often deal with, the GitHub desktop client is okay (though obviously tied to GitHub), but then I was sad to also realize they don't offer it on Linux. (Maybe they assume Linux nerds don't need GUIs?) I tried Tower when it was in beta for Windows, but the cost is too steep to justify it for me. But it seemed to be a lot more full featured than the GitHub client which isn't good for more than basic commits. And again, no Linux there either. I'd definitely go for a solid, open source git client, and it's obviously very relevant to GitLab's business.
newsat13 10y ago
I think open sourcing here just shows that the code is irrelevant and is not the money maker. I guarantee you nobody is moving off slack because gitter is "open source". People might move to gitter because is it integrated into gitlab self-hosted though (this is what will happen and mattermost will be phased out despite what they say).

"Next piece of wow: we will be open sourcing all of the Gitter" The Gitlab folks really know how to do it. It is of course the rational approach to it, but still, that's a bold move.

nerdponx 10y ago

Do we know what protocol Gitter runs on top of?

zbuttram 10y ago
Protocol? I kind of assumed things like Slack, Gitter, etc. were just using websockets that communicate with their backend.
- Duhck 10y ago
  Slack is built on top of IRC. Presumably Gitter is as well
  - edoceo 10y ago
    Not on top of IRC. Just similar in that they are both chat like
  - detaro 10y ago
    > Slack is built on top of IRC Source? First time I hear that, and it seems unlikely, since they have quite a few features that don't fit nicely in stock IRC.
    - kuschku 10y ago
      I’m not sure there are any Slack features that don’t fit into stock IRC v3. Basically everything they do is already supported or a draft. (Now just everyone has to implement it)
      - detaro 10y ago
        Now, possibly. But unless I'm totally wrong on the timeline, IRCv3 (not even talking about implementations) wasn't even close to that level when Slack started and thus is unlikely to be the base of their product. And even now, I wouldn't include v3 yet when talking about "stock IRC" in this context.
  - owaislone 10y ago
    Any source on that. I don't think it follows any protocols at all. Just implements it's own thing.
  - vertex-four 10y ago
    Slack is definitely not built on top of IRC. There is, however, an IRC interface to Slack.
suprememoocow 10y ago
Gitter uses a proprietary websocket protocol built on top of the Bayeux protocol: https://docs.cometd.org/current/reference/ https://docs.cometd.org/current/reference/ More details can be found on the developer site: https://developer.gitter.im/docs/faye-endpoint https://developer.gitter.im/docs/faye-endpoint We also have an open-source IRC bridge: https://github.com/gitterHQ/irc-bridge https://github.com/gitterHQ/irc-bridge
- scrollaway 10y ago
  I prefer matterbridge :) Supports more than IRC, and supports multiple gateways at once: https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/ https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/
  - suprememoocow 10y ago
    Depending on the availability of a Bayeux client for Golang, it looks like something that could be integrated quite easily.
    - scrollaway 10y ago
      I don't know how Gitter support in matterbridge is implemented but it is great! Do try it out. I've been running a three-way discord+gitter+irc gateway for a long time.
- liebersto 10y ago
  And there is a matrix.org/gitter bridge already in use by riot.im

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connorshea 10y ago

For us it was natural to open the source code, we prefer to work that way. All our source code is publicly viewable and most of it is open source.

ocdtrekkie 10y ago
This just makes me hope you guys buy more things.
- connorshea 10y ago
  Ha! Any suggestions? ;)
  - jensvdh 10y ago
    waffle.io
    - ferentchak 10y ago
      I doubt CA will let it go. Now poaching Homeyer might be possible. ;)
  - kstenerud 10y ago
    A cross platform GUI git client that doesn't suck!
    - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
      This is a pretty great idea. For what I often deal with, the GitHub desktop client is okay (though obviously tied to GitHub), but then I was sad to also realize they don't offer it on Linux. (Maybe they assume Linux nerds don't need GUIs?) I tried Tower when it was in beta for Windows, but the cost is too steep to justify it for me. But it seemed to be a lot more full featured than the GitHub client which isn't good for more than basic commits. And again, no Linux there either. I'd definitely go for a solid, open source git client, and it's obviously very relevant to GitLab's business.

newsat13 10y ago

I think open sourcing here just shows that the code is irrelevant and is not the money maker. I guarantee you nobody is moving off slack because gitter is "open source". People might move to gitter because is it integrated into gitlab self-hosted though (this is what will happen and mattermost will be phased out despite what they say).