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My limited understanding was that they wanted to test only glyphosate and not glyphosate in combination with the surfactant, which is after all how people would

My limited understanding was that they wanted to test only glyphosate and not glyphosate in combination with the surfactant, which is after all how people would encounter it in the real world, as that is how RoundUp is distributed to users. For instance, could the surfactant allow glyphosate to more easily be absorbed?

JohnJamesRambo 10y ago
Yes the surfactant helps it cross membranes. But what I meant is that when people tested the two parts separately the reasonably safe surfactant seemed more toxic than glyphosate, which provided me peace of mind that glyphosate can't be too toxic if soap is worse. But if a lot of the data is faked or manipulated that assumption isn't valid.
- tgragnato 10y ago
  The opportunity to ask the opinion of someone who saw research data is too much appealing. Given the fact that Monsanto manipulated and faked data in the past (http://www.williamsanjour.name/monsanto.htm http://www.williamsanjour.name/monsanto.htm), what's your stance on this study ? [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15182708 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15182708 [2] http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/44475050/Glyphosate-based_pesticides_affect_cell_20160406-2044-1yakakl.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1489602641&Signature=x6wV3BclexDnl6pIPlxEU8q%2FHjA%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DGlyphosate-based_pesticides_affect_cell.pdf http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/44475050/Glyp... [3] http://www.cyberacteurs.org/sans_ogm/fichiers/boc0960245.pdf http://www.cyberacteurs.org/sans_ogm/fichiers/boc0960245.pdf Is this something serious or not? I've always wondered about the strength of the document.
  - JohnJamesRambo 10y ago
    Oh, the only data I've seen are the published papers. I have no inside info. #2 won't load for me For #1 and 3 I would say that the concentrations used are very high. I would not expect anyone except workers spraying Roundup maybe to ever encounter something like millimolar levels of it. We usually deal with things at the nanomolar or micromolar scale of concentrations in science.
    - tgragnato 10y ago
      so it's really a problem for the farmer rather than something regarding the customer. thank you very much! I sought a confirmation for a while ..

JohnJamesRambo 10y ago

Yes the surfactant helps it cross membranes. But what I meant is that when people tested the two parts separately the reasonably safe surfactant seemed more toxic than glyphosate, which provided me peace of mind that glyphosate can't be too toxic if soap is worse. But if a lot of the data is faked or manipulated that assumption isn't valid.

tgragnato 10y ago
The opportunity to ask the opinion of someone who saw research data is too much appealing. Given the fact that Monsanto manipulated and faked data in the past (http://www.williamsanjour.name/monsanto.htm http://www.williamsanjour.name/monsanto.htm), what's your stance on this study ? [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15182708 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15182708 [2] http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/44475050/Glyphosate-based_pesticides_affect_cell_20160406-2044-1yakakl.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1489602641&Signature=x6wV3BclexDnl6pIPlxEU8q%2FHjA%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DGlyphosate-based_pesticides_affect_cell.pdf http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/44475050/Glyp... [3] http://www.cyberacteurs.org/sans_ogm/fichiers/boc0960245.pdf http://www.cyberacteurs.org/sans_ogm/fichiers/boc0960245.pdf Is this something serious or not? I've always wondered about the strength of the document.
- JohnJamesRambo 10y ago
  Oh, the only data I've seen are the published papers. I have no inside info. #2 won't load for me For #1 and 3 I would say that the concentrations used are very high. I would not expect anyone except workers spraying Roundup maybe to ever encounter something like millimolar levels of it. We usually deal with things at the nanomolar or micromolar scale of concentrations in science.
  - tgragnato 10y ago
    so it's really a problem for the farmer rather than something regarding the customer. thank you very much! I sought a confirmation for a while ..