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To be honest I don't find this kind of vague hinting to be at all constructive in discussions. I would greatly prefer if people either voiced their opinions cle

To be honest I don't find this kind of vague hinting to be at all constructive in discussions. I would greatly prefer if people either voiced their opinions clearly or kept them private.

lawless123 10y ago
Ok to be clear , right before multiple European elections , Putins new pal Erdogan is inciting riots, calling people Nazis because they didn't want to host his rallies for a domestic Turkish issue. Obviously these have some domestic benefit for Erdogan but also for far right European parties, many of which already have some financial links to Russia. http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-another-step-towards-regional-partnership-1462334051 http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-...
- afarrell 10y ago
  > Putin's new pal Erdogan Wait what?
  - imron 10y ago
    Didn't you see the news? Everything that works out for the right and against the left is a Russian plot orchestrated by Putin. The eighties called and decided to lend their foreign policy to the democrats this time.
- lawless123 10y ago
  http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-another-step-towards-regional-partnership-1462334051 http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-...
  - binarray2000 10y ago
    Your source is http://www.middleeasteye.net http://www.middleeasteye.net "Middle East Eye is registered as M.E.E. Limited. Registered in England & Wales, Number: 08803692." http://www.middleeasteye.net/contact-1077837563 http://www.middleeasteye.net/contact-1077837563 About M.E.E. Ltd. from companieshouse.gov.uk: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08803692/officers https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08803692/officers Google "BESSASSO, Jamal Awn Jamal" (named as officer @companieshouse). First result: http://www.thenational.ae/uae/al-jazeera-executive-helped-to-launch-controversial-uk-website http://www.thenational.ae/uae/al-jazeera-executive-helped-to... First paragraph: "A senior executive with Qatar’s TV network Al Jazeera was closely involved with setting up the London news website Middle East Eye, some of whose staff have links to organisations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood." BOOOOM!
    - lawless123 10y ago
      OK CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/10/middleeast/russia-turkey-presidents-meet/ http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/10/middleeast/russia-turkey-p... WSJ https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkeys-erdogan-meets-with-russias-putin-to-build-on-ties-1489173908 https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkeys-erdogan-meets-with-russ... or if you prefer Russian sources.. https://sputniknews.com/politics/201703141051559853-putin-erdogan-syria/ https://sputniknews.com/politics/201703141051559853-putin-er...
    - idiot_stick 10y ago
      >""A senior executive with Qatar’s TV network Al Jazeera was closely involved with setting up the London news website Middle East Eye, some of whose staff have links to organisations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood." So you eliminate as sources any company that might have some staff "sympathetic" to the Muslim Brotherhood? That probably extends much further than you think. >BOOOOM! You didn't say anything revelatory or even exciting.
      - JimmyM 10y ago
        >some staff "sympathetic" to the Muslim Brotherhood I think you're accidentally overstating the strength of their case, probably just the clause-level equivalent of a typo. They actually said: > some of whose staff have links to organisations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood. So, just to be clear, they're excluding anything with (interpreting the vague language generously) <=3 degrees of separation from the Muslim Brotherhood (organisation -> staff member -> an organisation -> Muslim Brotherhood) as a reliable source. Totally unscientific, but to put this in a kind of very loose and silly context, Facebook claims that its users are on average connected to every other user by 3.57 degrees of separation. I suspect that the figure for this kind of connection is actually, relatively, much higher, but I sincerely doubt it's all that much higher than 4 (i.e. enough to make this sort of connection relevant) - especially when you think that these aren't even friendship relationships, but something so much weaker! edit: the link to Facebook's claim - https://research.fb.com/three-and-a-half-degrees-of-separation/ https://research.fb.com/three-and-a-half-degrees-of-separati... and some typos and omissions of my own
- raverbashing 10y ago
  I'm 50/50 on it actually being Erdogan supporters or something more "norteastern"in origin.
Quarrelsome 10y ago
well let us state that given the friendliness between Turkey and Russia despite the arguably staged assassination that they're either conveniently pulling in the same direction or perhaps batting for the same team. So we can point the attack at the party potentially standing to gain from EU disruption (Russia) or at Turkey itself. Probably the most dull argument (aka most likely to be true) is that this is the work of an enthusiastic member of Erdogan's fanbase.
raverbashing 10y ago
And to be honest I find this kind of passive-agressiveness unneeded and fairly cynical. You should have avoided typing that because you have added absolutely nothing to the discussion, and you missed the point of a rhetorical question and showed ignorance of the current political status of Turkish/NE relations, added to that the bigger geopolitical context. You must be fun at parties

To be honest I don't find this kind of vague hinting to be at all constructive in discussions. I would greatly prefer if people either voiced their opinions clearly or kept them private.

lawless123 10y ago

Ok to be clear , right before multiple European elections , Putins new pal Erdogan is inciting riots, calling people Nazis because they didn't want to host his rallies for a domestic Turkish issue. Obviously these have some domestic benefit for Erdogan but also for far right European parties, many of which already have some financial links to Russia. http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-another-step-towards-regional-partnership-1462334051 http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-...

afarrell 10y ago
> Putin's new pal Erdogan Wait what?
- imron 10y ago
  Didn't you see the news? Everything that works out for the right and against the left is a Russian plot orchestrated by Putin. The eighties called and decided to lend their foreign policy to the democrats this time.
lawless123 10y ago
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-another-step-towards-regional-partnership-1462334051 http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-...
- binarray2000 10y ago
  Your source is http://www.middleeasteye.net http://www.middleeasteye.net "Middle East Eye is registered as M.E.E. Limited. Registered in England & Wales, Number: 08803692." http://www.middleeasteye.net/contact-1077837563 http://www.middleeasteye.net/contact-1077837563 About M.E.E. Ltd. from companieshouse.gov.uk: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08803692/officers https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08803692/officers Google "BESSASSO, Jamal Awn Jamal" (named as officer @companieshouse). First result: http://www.thenational.ae/uae/al-jazeera-executive-helped-to-launch-controversial-uk-website http://www.thenational.ae/uae/al-jazeera-executive-helped-to... First paragraph: "A senior executive with Qatar’s TV network Al Jazeera was closely involved with setting up the London news website Middle East Eye, some of whose staff have links to organisations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood." BOOOOM!
  - lawless123 10y ago
    OK CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/10/middleeast/russia-turkey-presidents-meet/ http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/10/middleeast/russia-turkey-p... WSJ https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkeys-erdogan-meets-with-russias-putin-to-build-on-ties-1489173908 https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkeys-erdogan-meets-with-russ... or if you prefer Russian sources.. https://sputniknews.com/politics/201703141051559853-putin-erdogan-syria/ https://sputniknews.com/politics/201703141051559853-putin-er...
  - idiot_stick 10y ago
    >""A senior executive with Qatar’s TV network Al Jazeera was closely involved with setting up the London news website Middle East Eye, some of whose staff have links to organisations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood." So you eliminate as sources any company that might have some staff "sympathetic" to the Muslim Brotherhood? That probably extends much further than you think. >BOOOOM! You didn't say anything revelatory or even exciting.
    - JimmyM 10y ago
      >some staff "sympathetic" to the Muslim Brotherhood I think you're accidentally overstating the strength of their case, probably just the clause-level equivalent of a typo. They actually said: > some of whose staff have links to organisations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood. So, just to be clear, they're excluding anything with (interpreting the vague language generously) <=3 degrees of separation from the Muslim Brotherhood (organisation -> staff member -> an organisation -> Muslim Brotherhood) as a reliable source. Totally unscientific, but to put this in a kind of very loose and silly context, Facebook claims that its users are on average connected to every other user by 3.57 degrees of separation. I suspect that the figure for this kind of connection is actually, relatively, much higher, but I sincerely doubt it's all that much higher than 4 (i.e. enough to make this sort of connection relevant) - especially when you think that these aren't even friendship relationships, but something so much weaker! edit: the link to Facebook's claim - https://research.fb.com/three-and-a-half-degrees-of-separation/ https://research.fb.com/three-and-a-half-degrees-of-separati... and some typos and omissions of my own
raverbashing 10y ago
I'm 50/50 on it actually being Erdogan supporters or something more "norteastern"in origin.

Quarrelsome 10y ago

well let us state that given the friendliness between Turkey and Russia despite the arguably staged assassination that they're either conveniently pulling in the same direction or perhaps batting for the same team. So we can point the attack at the party potentially standing to gain from EU disruption (Russia) or at Turkey itself. Probably the most dull argument (aka most likely to be true) is that this is the work of an enthusiastic member of Erdogan's fanbase.

raverbashing 10y ago

And to be honest I find this kind of passive-agressiveness unneeded and fairly cynical. You should have avoided typing that because you have added absolutely nothing to the discussion, and you missed the point of a rhetorical question and showed ignorance of the current political status of Turkish/NE relations, added to that the bigger geopolitical context. You must be fun at parties