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Someone is very interested in pushing people towards far right pro-kremlim parties in Europe right before elections..
by lawless123 10y ago
Someone is very interested in pushing people towards far right pro-kremlim parties in Europe right before elections..
- raverbashing 10y agoOh I wonder who would that be... Doesn't seem like a very advanced hack to be honest, and "twitter services" are a constant source of account compromises
- distances 10y agoTo be honest I don't find this kind of vague hinting to be at all constructive in discussions. I would greatly prefer if people either voiced their opinions clearly or kept them private.
- lawless123 10y agoOk to be clear , right before multiple European elections , Putins new pal Erdogan is inciting riots, calling people Nazis because they didn't want to host his rallies for a domestic Turkish issue. Obviously these have some domestic benefit for Erdogan but also for far right European parties, many of which already have some financial links to Russia. http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-another-step-towards-regional-partnership-1462334051 http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-...
- afarrell 10y ago> Putin's new pal Erdogan Wait what?
- imron 10y agoDidn't you see the news? Everything that works out for the right and against the left is a Russian plot orchestrated by Putin. The eighties called and decided to lend their foreign policy to the democrats this time.
- lawless123 10y agohttp://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-another-step-towards-regional-partnership-1462334051 http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-...
- binarray2000 10y agoYour source is http://www.middleeasteye.net http://www.middleeasteye.net "Middle East Eye is registered as M.E.E. Limited. Registered in England & Wales, Number: 08803692." http://www.middleeasteye.net/contact-1077837563 http://www.middleeasteye.net/contact-1077837563 About M.E.E. Ltd. from companieshouse.gov.uk: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08803692/officers https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08803692/officers Google "BESSASSO, Jamal Awn Jamal" (named as officer @companieshouse). First result: http://www.thenational.ae/uae/al-jazeera-executive-helped-to-launch-controversial-uk-website http://www.thenational.ae/uae/al-jazeera-executive-helped-to... First paragraph: "A senior executive with Qatar’s TV network Al Jazeera was closely involved with setting up the London news website Middle East Eye, some of whose staff have links to organisations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood." BOOOOM!
- lawless123 10y agoOK CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/10/middleeast/russia-turkey-presidents-meet/ http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/10/middleeast/russia-turkey-p... WSJ https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkeys-erdogan-meets-with-russias-putin-to-build-on-ties-1489173908 https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkeys-erdogan-meets-with-russ... or if you prefer Russian sources.. https://sputniknews.com/politics/201703141051559853-putin-erdogan-syria/ https://sputniknews.com/politics/201703141051559853-putin-er...
- idiot_stick 10y ago>""A senior executive with Qatar’s TV network Al Jazeera was closely involved with setting up the London news website Middle East Eye, some of whose staff have links to organisations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood." So you eliminate as sources any company that might have some staff "sympathetic" to the Muslim Brotherhood? That probably extends much further than you think. >BOOOOM! You didn't say anything revelatory or even exciting.
- raverbashing 10y agoI'm 50/50 on it actually being Erdogan supporters or something more "norteastern"in origin.
- Quarrelsome 10y agowell let us state that given the friendliness between Turkey and Russia despite the arguably staged assassination that they're either conveniently pulling in the same direction or perhaps batting for the same team. So we can point the attack at the party potentially standing to gain from EU disruption (Russia) or at Turkey itself. Probably the most dull argument (aka most likely to be true) is that this is the work of an enthusiastic member of Erdogan's fanbase.
- raverbashing 10y agoAnd to be honest I find this kind of passive-agressiveness unneeded and fairly cynical. You should have avoided typing that because you have added absolutely nothing to the discussion, and you missed the point of a rhetorical question and showed ignorance of the current political status of Turkish/NE relations, added to that the bigger geopolitical context. You must be fun at parties
- kristopolous 10y agoThere's also a highly contentious Netherlands elections today[1] and there was a swift escalation in Turkish-Dutch politics yesterday[2]. [1] http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/europe/netherlands-election-populism-rutte-wilders/ http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/europe/netherlands-election-po... [2] http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/03/turkey-suspends-high-level-contacts-with-the-netherlands-as-dispute-escalates/ http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/03/turkey-suspend...
- oxide 10y agoAs an aside, I wonder what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so. It's interesting to think that we are all a part, no matter how large or small, of history in the making. For better or worse.
- threeseed 10y agoThis will be known as the social media era of politics. For good (greater engagement, faster news dissemination) and for bad (staggering polarisation, fake news). I think this will persist for quite some time e.g decades until the next era arrives which will see more earth-friendly, people-centric, less capitalist views come to the fore e.g base income, renewable at all costs etc as automation and climate change reek havoc.
- kristopolous 10y agoI'm gambling on "The Oil Age". Political strife will be placed in the context of petroleum geopolitics, energy sectors, climate change, and what will be dubbed "The first migration" (if ocean levels rise as some predict, there will be a second migration for 10% of global population [1]) You can wrap, among other things, the 70's OPEC wars, 79 Iranian revolution, 9/11 and the rise of Trump in a nice tiny bow and create a coarsely accurate depiction of history over those 45 years. You can even have a little side story about things like the 1985 "We Are the World" charity song without missing a beat. In the long run, things like Facebook and Snapchat will probably be as relevant and well-known as say, the Pacific Mail Steamship Company. Never heard of it? It's a charter member of the Dow Jones Transportation Average (the predecessor to the DJIA) and an important company from the 1800s ... [1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-negin/think-todays-refugee-cris_b_7691330.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-negin/think-todays-ref...
- tomp 10y agoI wouldn't be that sure - the tensions escalated before today's Dutch elections, but the cause of the escalation was the current ruling party (the PM banned some turkish gatherings/protests, and then blocked a Turkish minister's plane from landing in the Netherlands). So one could argue that the mainstream party tried to woo right-wing-ish voters by taking a stronger stance against Turks/muslims.
- fauigerzigerk 10y agoThe stance taken wasn't against Turks or Muslims though. It was against an authoritarian ruler campaigning in another country to grab even more power for himself.
- raverbashing 10y agoExactly this The one with dictatorial tendencies here is Erdogan
- teekert 10y agoI agree, but the PM (Rutte) and his party are definitely benefiting. He had many opportunities before to go harder on Erdogan i.e. when Erdogan bought oil from IS but "we" needed him to keep refugees out of Europe. The stance is certainly not against Muslims although people might feel it that way. It is against the fact the pro-Erdogan Turks and anti-Erdogan Turks and Curds etc cause unrest in the Netherlands. Most people are welcoming of other cultures but not when they bring their political unrest with them. This whole circus was a signal to Turkey to keep Turkish politics within Turkey. Still, I'm certain our PM would have been less strong if there weren't any elections. I don't understand Erdogan though, he called on the dutch Turks to not vote for the current PM and Geert Wilders (PVV, far right, anti immigration, pro Netherlands), and now this?! He must know that the couple of Turks that will listen to this will be overwhelmed by Dutchies wanting to vote anything that Erdogan doesn't like... It's like he is intentionally putting oil on the fire, helping PVV. Why is the very important questions, what does he or some other party have to gain? Who benefits from poor EU/Turkey relations? Edit: after thinking some more: Of course Erdogan is the one who benefits greatly from the created "us against them sentiment" of the Turks. It distracts from all the turmoil and the approaching power grab.
- eternalban 10y agoAnti-Globalist =/= "pro-kremlin" [sic].
- Veen 10y agoIt's curious to me that anti-globalism in the west is so often supportive of authoriatirian rulers and religious extremists elsewhere. It's not as if there's any inconsistency in denouncing Trump, Putin, and Erdogan in one breath. Reminds me of European Communists like Sartre that campaigned for equality in the west while refusing to acknowledge the horrors of Stalin's rule.
- eternalban 10y ago> It's curious to me that anti-globalism in the west is so often supportive of authoriatirian rulers and religious extremists elsewhere. Globalism is orthogonal to the nature of the global regime. Let us not forget that Communist International was also a globalist movement. I personally don't know about the "so often" bit, but certainly that is the meme that is pushed by (globalist owned) Media. But should we accept that as a fact, then considering the fact that multiple powers would exist would provide at least the hope of future remedy to citizens of unsavory regimes. The /only/ hope for remedy for citizens of a (authoritarian) One World Government is catastrophic system failure. That is it.
- Veen 10y ago> catastrophic system failure Those three words encompasses an awful lot of death and poverty.
- eternalban 10y agoExactly. To be clear, there is no doubt in my mind that the future of Humanity has to be unified, but I don't believe we're there yet whether we consider the governed or the self-appointed lords, and yet another atempt to create "the new man" to fit in the ideological template imho will entail an awful lot of awfulness.