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But this is an endless cycle. At some point, the company has to apply some test to see if the candidate is appropriate, IE, can code to the required standard. T
by tragic 10y ago
But this is an endless cycle. At some point, the company has to apply some test to see if the candidate is appropriate, IE, can code to the required standard. That will require a time investment from the candidate.
You could simply get rid of the take home test; that will shift the burden to the resume and cover letter, to the advantage of humanities graduates like me.
You could mandate a full day on-site, which will bias against people from out of town who want to relocate and people in delicate situations at their current employer.
For the time poor candidate, there is always the whiteboard exercise... Whose biases we are gathered here to moan about in the first place.
I always feel in these threads that people think hiring is 'broken' and it can be 'fixed' with the proper application of 'one weird trick'. But then all the comments actually have contradictory complaints. So obviously it can't.
- jon-wood 10y agoI'm not really advocating for getting rid of take home tests entirely. There's a lot of value in seeing how someone approaches a known problem and being able to compare that to other solutions. What I am asking is that companies don't ask me to invest hours of time before they decide if they're even interested in talking to me. At the very least I want to have had a phone interview and the chance to assess whether I'm even interested in working for you. That's particularly relevant when looking for remote friendly employers, I've had several calls in recent days from recruiters responding to me saying I'm looking for remote work which I stopped on finding out what they meant was "at least three months fulltime on site, and then maybe we'll talk about some remote work".
- gedrap 10y agoThis is exactly what I meant. Home tests are totally fine, given there is some reasonable interest from the company already. Home test is totally fine after a phone call or a two. However, they are not fine at all just after submitting an application and no real contact.
- bogomipz 10y ago>"What I am asking is that companies don't ask me to invest hours of time before they decide if they're even interested in talking to me." I feel like this is the crux of it as well. I am not against projects or tests to show I am technically qualified. But this should be after talking to some potential team mates to see if there is even a fit, personally, work culture-wise, technical interest or any number of factors that you could glean by speaking to potential colleagues for 20 or 30 minutes.