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> So far Google has not shown any inclination that they know how to enterprise, and in fact it's fairly counter-cultural for them. While traditionally true wit

> So far Google has not shown any inclination that they know how to enterprise, and in fact it's fairly counter-cultural for them. While traditionally true with Google Products, I disagree with Cloud. Did you attend Google Cloud Next? Trust me, they are focusing on enterprises. Their support has improved significantly and they are focusing on business cases (costs, management, audit, security). I am certain the Google Cloud Next conference in a few years will look just as enterprise as AWS re:Invent.

jedberg 10y ago
I did attend briefly, and I got a run down from some enterprise folks. They said Google appears to be thinking about making an effort towards enterprise, but they aren't there yet. Also, they don't have a sales force like Amazon. A bunch of non-engineer humans who do nothing but convince other people to buy their product. They are still trying to solve human problems with engineering, and sales is a tough nut to crack for a computer, even a really strong AI. :)
- ma2rten 10y ago
  At my last job I actually talked to a sales person from Google who tried really hard to get us to move to GCP.
  - jedberg 10y ago
    Did they succeed?
    - ma2rten 10y ago
      Partly. They created a VPN between AWS and GCP and moved some data warehouse/analytics stuff to Google. This is after I left, so I don't know the details.
- nodesocket 10y ago
  > Also, they don't have a sales force like Amazon. A bunch of non-engineer humans who do nothing but convince other people to buy their product. Here's the catch, the "bunch of non-engineer humans" as you called them are not stupid though. All around these people are watching the landscape and market. They are aware that GCP has a superior pricing structure and can be up to 50% cheaper[1]. Therefore my theory is that GCP can continue to offer lower prices, greater governance, superior performance, and solid support, and their (sales+engineering) force can be in-bound driven instead of out-bound like AWS. [1] - https://thehftguy.com/2016/11/18/google-cloud-is-50-cheaper-than-aws/ https://thehftguy.com/2016/11/18/google-cloud-is-50-cheaper-...
  - Guest98123 10y ago
    "The numbers given in this article do not account for any AWS reservation. However, they all account for Google sustained use discount (30% automatic discount on instances that ran for the entire month)." I'll never understand why people keep referencing that 50% cheaper article. They take into account the 30% monthly discount from Google, but ignore the 47% discount I currently get from Amazon by reserving my instances for a year. Why? Well, because the author thinks "Reserved Instances are bullshit!". Now, I agree reserved instances are not ideal, but if you're trying to write an article about pricing, it's absurd to exclude such a discount. It's obvious the author was just going for click-bait.
    - manigandham 10y ago
      Why? RI's require upfront purchasing, sustained use doesn't. So the comparison is valid because it's comparing on-demand instances from both providers, and Google comes out cheaper. Otherwise you can say anything has better pricing because you signed a big volume discount upfront, whether you're buying cloud VMs or tires.
      - sokoloff 10y ago
        AWS RIs don't require upfront purchasing (payment). They offer full-upfront; they offer half-upfront; they also offer no-upfront. Source: https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/reserved-instances/pricing/ https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/reserved-instances/pricin...
- mattzito 10y ago
  GCP has a sales force - one can debate their relative sophistication or effectiveness compared to Amazon, but Diane Greene has brought in a bunch of ex-VMware leadership to run the sales, presales, and consulting organizations, and they definitely understand enterprise sales. Amazon just has some additional experience from doing it for longer.

jedberg 10y ago

I did attend briefly, and I got a run down from some enterprise folks. They said Google appears to be thinking about making an effort towards enterprise, but they aren't there yet. Also, they don't have a sales force like Amazon. A bunch of non-engineer humans who do nothing but convince other people to buy their product. They are still trying to solve human problems with engineering, and sales is a tough nut to crack for a computer, even a really strong AI. :)

ma2rten 10y ago
At my last job I actually talked to a sales person from Google who tried really hard to get us to move to GCP.
- jedberg 10y ago
  Did they succeed?
  - ma2rten 10y ago
    Partly. They created a VPN between AWS and GCP and moved some data warehouse/analytics stuff to Google. This is after I left, so I don't know the details.
nodesocket 10y ago
> Also, they don't have a sales force like Amazon. A bunch of non-engineer humans who do nothing but convince other people to buy their product. Here's the catch, the "bunch of non-engineer humans" as you called them are not stupid though. All around these people are watching the landscape and market. They are aware that GCP has a superior pricing structure and can be up to 50% cheaper[1]. Therefore my theory is that GCP can continue to offer lower prices, greater governance, superior performance, and solid support, and their (sales+engineering) force can be in-bound driven instead of out-bound like AWS. [1] - https://thehftguy.com/2016/11/18/google-cloud-is-50-cheaper-than-aws/ https://thehftguy.com/2016/11/18/google-cloud-is-50-cheaper-...
- Guest98123 10y ago
  "The numbers given in this article do not account for any AWS reservation. However, they all account for Google sustained use discount (30% automatic discount on instances that ran for the entire month)." I'll never understand why people keep referencing that 50% cheaper article. They take into account the 30% monthly discount from Google, but ignore the 47% discount I currently get from Amazon by reserving my instances for a year. Why? Well, because the author thinks "Reserved Instances are bullshit!". Now, I agree reserved instances are not ideal, but if you're trying to write an article about pricing, it's absurd to exclude such a discount. It's obvious the author was just going for click-bait.
  - manigandham 10y ago
    Why? RI's require upfront purchasing, sustained use doesn't. So the comparison is valid because it's comparing on-demand instances from both providers, and Google comes out cheaper. Otherwise you can say anything has better pricing because you signed a big volume discount upfront, whether you're buying cloud VMs or tires.
    - sokoloff 10y ago
      AWS RIs don't require upfront purchasing (payment). They offer full-upfront; they offer half-upfront; they also offer no-upfront. Source: https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/reserved-instances/pricing/ https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/reserved-instances/pricin...
mattzito 10y ago
GCP has a sales force - one can debate their relative sophistication or effectiveness compared to Amazon, but Diane Greene has brought in a bunch of ex-VMware leadership to run the sales, presales, and consulting organizations, and they definitely understand enterprise sales. Amazon just has some additional experience from doing it for longer.