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There's nothing theoretical about the objective fact that women are underrepresented in tech jobs.

by eli 10y ago

darawk 10y ago
Underrepresented != Treated poorly.
- eli 10y ago
  Did I say otherwise? Underrepresention is a problem worth addressing in its own right. There's also evidence (e.g. in the linked article) that women are indeed treated unfairly.
  - darawk 10y ago
    No one is discussing under-representation in this thread. What's being discussed is how women are treated. Your response was either a non-sequitur, or referring to the article, which is discussing the treatment of women.
  - LyndsySimon 10y ago
    > Underrepresention is a problem worth addressing in its own right. Not on its own, it's not. The vast majority of healthcare workers are female. 98% of dental hygienists, and 91% of RNs are women. There are 3.6m programmers in the US (as of 2017) and 3.5m nurses (as of 2011) - programmers and nurses have relatively similar salary ranges. Is the underrepresentation of men in the nursing profession worth addressing on its own? How about electricians? 99% of journeyman electricians in the US are male. Is that worth addressing?
    - DanBC 10y ago
      > Is the underrepresentation of men in the nursing profession worth addressing on its own? Yes, and there are programmes encouraging men to go into nursing.
      - flukus 10y ago
        And supporting younger women to go into software development isn't something anyone has an issue with (except maybe the frequency and extent of it). We don't say there's a problem with the health care industry just because there aren't enough male nurses, we know the cause and it's a cultural one, not an industry one.
        DanBC 10y ago
        > We don't say there's a problem with the health care industry We do.
    - tabeth 10y ago
      How is any of this even relevant?
      - LyndsySimon 10y ago
        The parent poster made the assertion that underrepresentation is worth addressing on its own, absent other factors. I don't believe that's true.
    - eli 10y ago
      Of course the gender disparity in healthcare is a problem too. You disagree? Google those job titles and "gender inequality" for many articles and discussions about the problem and what's being done. The gender gap is particularly significant in careers that pay well and are growing in numbers, such as those in IT. (It's a problem that most flight attendants are female, but IMHO it's less pressing.)

There's nothing theoretical about the objective fact that women are underrepresented in tech jobs.

by eli 10y ago

There's nothing theoretical about the objective fact that women are underrepresented in tech jobs.

darawk 10y ago

Underrepresented != Treated poorly.

eli 10y ago
Did I say otherwise? Underrepresention is a problem worth addressing in its own right. There's also evidence (e.g. in the linked article) that women are indeed treated unfairly.
- darawk 10y ago
  No one is discussing under-representation in this thread. What's being discussed is how women are treated. Your response was either a non-sequitur, or referring to the article, which is discussing the treatment of women.
- LyndsySimon 10y ago
  > Underrepresention is a problem worth addressing in its own right. Not on its own, it's not. The vast majority of healthcare workers are female. 98% of dental hygienists, and 91% of RNs are women. There are 3.6m programmers in the US (as of 2017) and 3.5m nurses (as of 2011) - programmers and nurses have relatively similar salary ranges. Is the underrepresentation of men in the nursing profession worth addressing on its own? How about electricians? 99% of journeyman electricians in the US are male. Is that worth addressing?
  - DanBC 10y ago
    > Is the underrepresentation of men in the nursing profession worth addressing on its own? Yes, and there are programmes encouraging men to go into nursing.
    - flukus 10y ago
      And supporting younger women to go into software development isn't something anyone has an issue with (except maybe the frequency and extent of it). We don't say there's a problem with the health care industry just because there aren't enough male nurses, we know the cause and it's a cultural one, not an industry one.
      - DanBC 10y ago
        > We don't say there's a problem with the health care industry We do.
  - tabeth 10y ago
    How is any of this even relevant?
    - LyndsySimon 10y ago
      The parent poster made the assertion that underrepresentation is worth addressing on its own, absent other factors. I don't believe that's true.
  - eli 10y ago
    Of course the gender disparity in healthcare is a problem too. You disagree? Google those job titles and "gender inequality" for many articles and discussions about the problem and what's being done. The gender gap is particularly significant in careers that pay well and are growing in numbers, such as those in IT. (It's a problem that most flight attendants are female, but IMHO it's less pressing.)