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This has been happening for a long time now, and I'm amazed the people have been willing to tolerate it. From what I can see the Venezuelan government doesn't

by gozur88 10y ago

This has been happening for a long time now, and I'm amazed the people have been willing to tolerate it. From what I can see the Venezuelan government doesn't have North Korea levels of control.

coldtea 10y ago
>From what I can see the Venezuelan government doesn't have North Korea levels of control. They also have large popular support. And the troubles are not exactly their fault, at least not in the way the foreign sources picture it. And when one reads stories like the one below (with which the article starts), it's almost always BS naive propaganda and there's a far more coherent reason behind the whole story: "Toilet-paper theft may sound like a farce, but it’s a serious matter for the entrepreneur: Failing to stock the restrooms puts him in violation of his agreement with the union, and that puts his factory at risk of a prolonged strike, which in turn could lead to its being seized by the socialist government under the increasingly unpopular President Nicolas Maduro."
- CamonZix 10y ago
  >They also have large popular support. Nah, we just got tired of doing dance-therapy protests on highways after 17yrs of trying to oust the communists. So most of the people how could leave, left.
- viraptor 10y ago
  Ok, you called out the article on bullshit. So what's your take? Are you claiming the story didn't happen? Can you provide more plausible content? I'm keen to believe this, since it's close to past real events I know of from eastern Europe. Shortage of basic goods, massive queues for toilet paper, barter and stealing small things from public/work places, "I know a guy" access to important resources, gov enforcing only the selected rules convenient at the time.
- rafaelm 10y ago
  There is not a single poll that gives the venezuelan government "large popular support". The last remaining support the government has is from corrupt military or those people so poor that they are dependent on small government handouts. After 18 years of the highest oil prices there is no reason for Venezuela to have people regularly eating from the trash or looting food trucks in the highways, even while the trucks are moving.[1][2] [1]https://twitter.com/victoria1039fm/status/841661359569932288 https://twitter.com/victoria1039fm/status/841661359569932288 [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4cdtXrCId4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4cdtXrCId4 It's not just toilet paper that is scarce. It's everything. From food to medicine.

by gozur88 10y ago

This has been happening for a long time now, and I'm amazed the people have been willing to tolerate it. From what I can see the Venezuelan government doesn't have North Korea levels of control.

coldtea 10y ago

>From what I can see the Venezuelan government doesn't have North Korea levels of control. They also have large popular support. And the troubles are not exactly their fault, at least not in the way the foreign sources picture it. And when one reads stories like the one below (with which the article starts), it's almost always BS naive propaganda and there's a far more coherent reason behind the whole story: "Toilet-paper theft may sound like a farce, but it’s a serious matter for the entrepreneur: Failing to stock the restrooms puts him in violation of his agreement with the union, and that puts his factory at risk of a prolonged strike, which in turn could lead to its being seized by the socialist government under the increasingly unpopular President Nicolas Maduro."

CamonZix 10y ago
>They also have large popular support. Nah, we just got tired of doing dance-therapy protests on highways after 17yrs of trying to oust the communists. So most of the people how could leave, left.
viraptor 10y ago
Ok, you called out the article on bullshit. So what's your take? Are you claiming the story didn't happen? Can you provide more plausible content? I'm keen to believe this, since it's close to past real events I know of from eastern Europe. Shortage of basic goods, massive queues for toilet paper, barter and stealing small things from public/work places, "I know a guy" access to important resources, gov enforcing only the selected rules convenient at the time.
rafaelm 10y ago
There is not a single poll that gives the venezuelan government "large popular support". The last remaining support the government has is from corrupt military or those people so poor that they are dependent on small government handouts. After 18 years of the highest oil prices there is no reason for Venezuela to have people regularly eating from the trash or looting food trucks in the highways, even while the trucks are moving.[1][2] [1]https://twitter.com/victoria1039fm/status/841661359569932288 https://twitter.com/victoria1039fm/status/841661359569932288 [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4cdtXrCId4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4cdtXrCId4 It's not just toilet paper that is scarce. It's everything. From food to medicine.