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I'm afraid we can't do the SOPA/PIPA protests again :(

Zikes 10y ago
The enemies of the open internet only have to win once, but to fend them off we have to win every single time. SOPA/PIPA protests had a lot of momentum, and they "won", but within weeks the same intrusive, anti-consumer practices were injected into some other bill that just got pushed through anyways. I just don't see how we can win. Not without some seriously strong top-down consumer protection laws. Net neutrality needs to solidify into law, and get some serious teeth. And I'm talking Amendment-level protections, not something the next chump-in-chief can come along and pull the rug out from under like they're doing with health care right now.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > The enemies of the open internet only have to win once, but to fend them off we have to win every single time I don't see why this is true. Why can't the competition go back and forth? And why must proponents of the open Internet play defense, instead of gaining ground and increasing openness and protections?
- rasengan 10y ago
  If you stop breathing, you die. If you stop fighting, you die. Keep your head up my brother, and keep fighting the good fight. It's worth it.
- OmarIsmail 10y ago
  There is no "winning" the war as long as there is disagreement - of which there always will be. That's why the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. To overturn this law, or to make consumer protection laws force neutrality you only have to win "once" where the other side has to keep defending. The net result is that both sides are always constantly fighting for what they want and one side wins sometimes, and the other side wins other times.
  - Zikes 10y ago
    When's the last time consumer protection on the internet "won" though? My browsing history is about to go up for sale. My emails are fair game for the US government with no warrant. My ISP is free to double-charge for peering, driving my Netflix subscription costs up. My mobile operator is streaming certain services without it counting against my data, while services I want to use still do. I have to pay ridiculous amounts of money to my ISP for a decent connection, despite the government giving telecoms huge subsidies (our own tax dollars) in exchange for building nationwide fiber, most of which went straight to the company's own coffers with no repercussions.[1] If there was at least some back-and-forth, I would see your point, but as it stands I only see one failure after another. [1] http://newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm http://newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm
Kenji 10y ago
Why not? Always keep up the fight.

Zikes 10y ago

The enemies of the open internet only have to win once, but to fend them off we have to win every single time. SOPA/PIPA protests had a lot of momentum, and they "won", but within weeks the same intrusive, anti-consumer practices were injected into some other bill that just got pushed through anyways. I just don't see how we can win. Not without some seriously strong top-down consumer protection laws. Net neutrality needs to solidify into law, and get some serious teeth. And I'm talking Amendment-level protections, not something the next chump-in-chief can come along and pull the rug out from under like they're doing with health care right now.

hackuser 10y ago
> The enemies of the open internet only have to win once, but to fend them off we have to win every single time I don't see why this is true. Why can't the competition go back and forth? And why must proponents of the open Internet play defense, instead of gaining ground and increasing openness and protections?
rasengan 10y ago
If you stop breathing, you die. If you stop fighting, you die. Keep your head up my brother, and keep fighting the good fight. It's worth it.
OmarIsmail 10y ago
There is no "winning" the war as long as there is disagreement - of which there always will be. That's why the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. To overturn this law, or to make consumer protection laws force neutrality you only have to win "once" where the other side has to keep defending. The net result is that both sides are always constantly fighting for what they want and one side wins sometimes, and the other side wins other times.
- Zikes 10y ago
  When's the last time consumer protection on the internet "won" though? My browsing history is about to go up for sale. My emails are fair game for the US government with no warrant. My ISP is free to double-charge for peering, driving my Netflix subscription costs up. My mobile operator is streaming certain services without it counting against my data, while services I want to use still do. I have to pay ridiculous amounts of money to my ISP for a decent connection, despite the government giving telecoms huge subsidies (our own tax dollars) in exchange for building nationwide fiber, most of which went straight to the company's own coffers with no repercussions.[1] If there was at least some back-and-forth, I would see your point, but as it stands I only see one failure after another. [1] http://newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm http://newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm

Kenji 10y ago

Why not? Always keep up the fight.