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> If you consider democrats liberal then perhaps you could help me understand why 88% of african-americans voted for Hillary? Different priorities. A lot of as

> If you consider democrats liberal then perhaps you could help me understand why 88% of african-americans voted for Hillary? Different priorities. A lot of astronauts and NASA scientists don't believe in anthropogenic nature of climate change. Are they backward, anti-reason, anti-science religious individuals? Perhaps you can help me understand why?

tomlock 10y ago
What are you basing that claim on? >Meanwhile, the working class remain staunchly conservative. This flies in the face of the facts surrounding who voted for who in the last election - if you consider Democrats to be liberal. What different priorities do you feel the generally worse-off working class minorities in America have?
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > if you consider Democrats to be liberal. The long- (since at least Clinton's "Third Way" politics in the early 1990s) dominant faction (and the one whose standard-bearer won the nominating contest) of the Democratic Party is center-right. While that's less right-wing than the Republican Party, the Republican nominee was a political outsider that deliberately—alongside some fairly explicit endorsements of some far-right and extreme nationalist positions, to be sure—largely adopted vague language filled with direct appeals to liberal values and interest groups, and specifically targeted those dissillusioned by the progressive defeat by the center-right faction of the Democratic Party. (This kind of ambiguity and rhetorical gesture to the left has substantial precedent from the authoritarian right.)
  - tomlock 10y ago
    I also wouldn't broadly say that Democrats are liberal. I think most political dichotomies contain broad churches. As a result I also think claims that x political view is derived from y quality of those people are simple and clumsy ways of attempting to understand the world.
the_gastropod 10y ago
>A lot of astronauts and NASA scientists don't believe in anthropogenic nature of climate change Source?
- splintercell 10y ago
  <The group, which includes seven Apollo astronauts and two former directors of NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, are dismayed over the failure of NASA, and specifically the Goddard Institute For Space Studies (GISS), to make an objective assessment of all available scientific data on climate change.> http://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-climate-change-2012-4 http://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-clima... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2814701/I-sceptical-humans-causing-global-warming-says-Buzz-Aldrin-thinks-people-sent-DIE-Mars.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2814701/I-sce...
  - CalChris 10y ago
    There's been over 560 astronauts.
  - tomlock 10y ago
    So when you say "a lot", what you mean to say is that 7 astronauts did. That's equivalent to 15% of active astronauts who are currently active or 2% from the total amount of astronauts ever active.
    - splintercell 10y ago
      Doesn't change my question a bit. Remember my question isn't, "Since these NASA scientists say that Climate change isn't real, therefore it isn't real". So don't try to answer THAT question.
      - tomlock 10y ago
        Its frankly incredibly odd that you're seeing this question you've posed as the focus of discussion. Your initial claim was that the working class is "staunchly conservative". Your question doesn't change that claim.
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tomlock 10y ago

What are you basing that claim on? >Meanwhile, the working class remain staunchly conservative. This flies in the face of the facts surrounding who voted for who in the last election - if you consider Democrats to be liberal. What different priorities do you feel the generally worse-off working class minorities in America have?

dragonwriter 10y ago
> if you consider Democrats to be liberal. The long- (since at least Clinton's "Third Way" politics in the early 1990s) dominant faction (and the one whose standard-bearer won the nominating contest) of the Democratic Party is center-right. While that's less right-wing than the Republican Party, the Republican nominee was a political outsider that deliberately—alongside some fairly explicit endorsements of some far-right and extreme nationalist positions, to be sure—largely adopted vague language filled with direct appeals to liberal values and interest groups, and specifically targeted those dissillusioned by the progressive defeat by the center-right faction of the Democratic Party. (This kind of ambiguity and rhetorical gesture to the left has substantial precedent from the authoritarian right.)
- tomlock 10y ago
  I also wouldn't broadly say that Democrats are liberal. I think most political dichotomies contain broad churches. As a result I also think claims that x political view is derived from y quality of those people are simple and clumsy ways of attempting to understand the world.

the_gastropod 10y ago

>A lot of astronauts and NASA scientists don't believe in anthropogenic nature of climate change Source?

splintercell 10y ago
<The group, which includes seven Apollo astronauts and two former directors of NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, are dismayed over the failure of NASA, and specifically the Goddard Institute For Space Studies (GISS), to make an objective assessment of all available scientific data on climate change.> http://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-climate-change-2012-4 http://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-clima... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2814701/I-sceptical-humans-causing-global-warming-says-Buzz-Aldrin-thinks-people-sent-DIE-Mars.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2814701/I-sce...
- CalChris 10y ago
  There's been over 560 astronauts.
- tomlock 10y ago
  So when you say "a lot", what you mean to say is that 7 astronauts did. That's equivalent to 15% of active astronauts who are currently active or 2% from the total amount of astronauts ever active.
  - splintercell 10y ago
    Doesn't change my question a bit. Remember my question isn't, "Since these NASA scientists say that Climate change isn't real, therefore it isn't real". So don't try to answer THAT question.
    - tomlock 10y ago
      Its frankly incredibly odd that you're seeing this question you've posed as the focus of discussion. Your initial claim was that the working class is "staunchly conservative". Your question doesn't change that claim.

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