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The interested question is what the humans are doing that lets us solve the problem so rapidly. The need for strategy is eliminated with tactically perfect pla

by kirse 10y ago

The interested question is what the humans are doing that lets us solve the problem so rapidly. The need for strategy is eliminated with tactically perfect play... Since computers are not yet to the point of having "solved" chess to tactical perfection, there will always be scenarios where strategy wins. IMO this is the maximum win for human-machine interaction... humans define the strategy, and computers aid in the tactical execution of that strategy. I'm not really a big believer that AI is anywhere close to beating humans at being human, especially when you step outside the bounds of a simplistic game with a narrowed rule-set. Like with cars and planes, you won't ever see an autonomous vehicle winning a World Rally Championship, and you won't ever see a computer figuring out how to make a Hudson river emergency landing. But computers can greatly assist with the braking, shifting, adjusting flaps, engine management, etc...

tluyben2 10y ago
> you won't ever see ... People have said that about mostly everything computers now do and is taken for granted. I won't be having discussions with my computer any time soon (before I die) but winning that rally doesn't seem 30-50 years out.
jasonwatkinspdx 10y ago
> you won't ever see an autonomous vehicle winning a World Rally Championship Autonomous vehicles will surpass human rally teams. I've competed in rally here in the US. The vision problems involved are difficult but don't underestimate how much humans struggle with sun and dust as well. With everything else the computer has the advantage. WRC as an org may not ever run an autonomous class, but I would expect to see a robo rally event of some sort to show up, perhaps first as a spectacle at Pikes Peak or Isle of Man.
ouid 10y ago
The example in the article isn't strategic, it's tactical. White cannot reach a losing position if he doesn't move his pawns, I don't have to invoke any wishy washy reasoning to claim that.
vladTheInhaler 10y ago
> you won't ever see an autonomous vehicle winning a World Rally Championship Never say never. These guys seem to be on the right track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AR2-OHCxsQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AR2-OHCxsQ

by kirse 10y ago

tluyben2 10y ago

> you won't ever see ... People have said that about mostly everything computers now do and is taken for granted. I won't be having discussions with my computer any time soon (before I die) but winning that rally doesn't seem 30-50 years out.

jasonwatkinspdx 10y ago

> you won't ever see an autonomous vehicle winning a World Rally Championship Autonomous vehicles will surpass human rally teams. I've competed in rally here in the US. The vision problems involved are difficult but don't underestimate how much humans struggle with sun and dust as well. With everything else the computer has the advantage. WRC as an org may not ever run an autonomous class, but I would expect to see a robo rally event of some sort to show up, perhaps first as a spectacle at Pikes Peak or Isle of Man.

ouid 10y ago

The example in the article isn't strategic, it's tactical. White cannot reach a losing position if he doesn't move his pawns, I don't have to invoke any wishy washy reasoning to claim that.

vladTheInhaler 10y ago

> you won't ever see an autonomous vehicle winning a World Rally Championship Never say never. These guys seem to be on the right track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AR2-OHCxsQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AR2-OHCxsQ