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I personally enjoy owning and taking care of things because it only takes one lazy person to break something or one person that doesn't wash properly to make so

by ghthor 10y ago

I personally enjoy owning and taking care of things because it only takes one lazy person to break something or one person that doesn't wash properly to make something gross. I'd see myself as a caretaker of equipment and belongings using my own judgement to loan the right tool to the right person. Someone that shows care and returns items in the condition they were given vs. someone who returns items broken with excuses, consistently, over and over. Yeah, that second person, they're getting the shit end of the share stick at my shop. It's sort of terrifying this idea, that we'll share more, is breaching now. I feel(anecdotal) that individuals in this society are becoming LESS responsible and and giving less care to the items they are responsible for which is a bad combination with a sharing model. Here is where I'd adopt a shared ownership of large items with perhaps a web of trust(ala kernal development style) to manage high quality time sharing of tools. But maybe this concern is moot once recycling, manufacturing, and cleaning become sufficiently automated that people can be lazy gross slobs that can't be bothered to clean and take care of shared space. Disclaimer, I'm incredibly cynical after watching the newly cleaned NYC subway tunnels and tracks accumulate litter within hours. Also having troublesome roommates that live like slobs, are having trouble with infections but don't seem to understand that their living space needs to be cleaned...

donw 10y ago
I feel much the same way, and will admit to finding myself... well, frustrated isn't quite the right word, but it will have to do, with what feels like an increasingly large number of people that treat the world as if everything in it is disposable. There's a certain joy in caring for things, and the added satisfaction of knowing that well-maintained tools are something you can rely on. And it's not like this really costs you extra time. Sure, it takes a small degree of incremental effort to keep my kitchen organized and clean. But when I cook, I don't need to spend time creating space to work or hunting down ingredients, because everything is where it belongs. This is maybe one of the things that I love about Japan, and also about Germany. In both cultures, people seem to be somehow overall rather thorough about caring for things. Sure, it's not universal, but it's utterly wonderful to be around people that, through habit, make the world around them a little bit better at a time.
VLM 10y ago
Its possible to twist that around and look at a very large scale rather than very small scale observation. An example of real world responsible sharing by normies (not rich young urbanites, but normal folks) can be seen in how we responsibly, wisely, generously share resources to raise the next generation of children, socialized medicine, and urban zoning laws aka hyper-NIMBY. Clearly a business model that is a mixture of K12 public schools crossed with the health care system and overseen by the equivalent of the local property zoning commission is not quite the ideal model to run an entire economy. Abstracted away from "tech" and "cars" this is how similar "responsible sharing of universally demanded services" business models work in the wider general population. Yet it is not all bad news, it is comforting that those cultural beliefs are at least somewhat controversial.
Heliosmaster 10y ago
Basically, a closed community with a high barrier of entry (maybe you need to be referred by somebody already inside) ?

by ghthor 10y ago

donw 10y ago

I feel much the same way, and will admit to finding myself... well, frustrated isn't quite the right word, but it will have to do, with what feels like an increasingly large number of people that treat the world as if everything in it is disposable. There's a certain joy in caring for things, and the added satisfaction of knowing that well-maintained tools are something you can rely on. And it's not like this really costs you extra time. Sure, it takes a small degree of incremental effort to keep my kitchen organized and clean. But when I cook, I don't need to spend time creating space to work or hunting down ingredients, because everything is where it belongs. This is maybe one of the things that I love about Japan, and also about Germany. In both cultures, people seem to be somehow overall rather thorough about caring for things. Sure, it's not universal, but it's utterly wonderful to be around people that, through habit, make the world around them a little bit better at a time.

VLM 10y ago

Its possible to twist that around and look at a very large scale rather than very small scale observation. An example of real world responsible sharing by normies (not rich young urbanites, but normal folks) can be seen in how we responsibly, wisely, generously share resources to raise the next generation of children, socialized medicine, and urban zoning laws aka hyper-NIMBY. Clearly a business model that is a mixture of K12 public schools crossed with the health care system and overseen by the equivalent of the local property zoning commission is not quite the ideal model to run an entire economy. Abstracted away from "tech" and "cars" this is how similar "responsible sharing of universally demanded services" business models work in the wider general population. Yet it is not all bad news, it is comforting that those cultural beliefs are at least somewhat controversial.

Heliosmaster 10y ago

Basically, a closed community with a high barrier of entry (maybe you need to be referred by somebody already inside) ?