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Is this seriously how complicated pricing is with "cloud" now? None of that made any sense to me. I pay $400/month for a half rack at a datacenter. Its regiona

Is this seriously how complicated pricing is with "cloud" now? None of that made any sense to me. I pay $400/month for a half rack at a datacenter. Its regional RIs also provide instance size flexibility in addition to AZ flexibility so you no longer have to worry about being tied to a specific size or AZ, or worry about launching the right instance size in the right AZ to match their RIs... or something. $400/month.

kyledrake 10y ago
Ah the classic anti-cloud post that pretends to understand everyone's use cases and economics. You realize that everyone knows how expensive this stuff is. You realize that people plan and model growth around these figures. You realize that despite all of this, many people still go with cloud solutions because they get other benefits. I mean ffs, I would be laughed out of the room if I went to my investors and said we were putting everything in a datacenter. The historical statistics are that datacenters are far more likely to be a risk to the business than AWS is. It's as simple as that. Out of curiosity, do you really think that operating cost is the only metric that matters from a business standpoint?
blaisio 10y ago
The pricing is complicated, but not necessarily more complicated than the economics of managing a datacenter. And if you don't actually own the infrastructure, then it's also much easier to fix any mistakes you made while planning. Also, something like EC2 gives you much more support than a half rack in a datacenter does. You need to look beyond the system specs.
- kyledrake 10y ago
  This is the exact same argument for the dozens of hosting and even some "cloud" providers (which is really just rebranded hosting) that are quite capable of a) charging you the fair market price for what they're selling, and b) offering it with simple, unambiguous pricing structures. Even Google's Cloud (which I don't use and don't promote) has managed to integrate long-term use discounts into their pricing structure so that you don't have to engage in craziness like this. And FWIW, I would much rather deal with the complexities of a datacenter than specialize in the equal or greater complexities required to manage proprietary, black-hole solutions like this that serve to lock you in by forcing you to specialize in something that is not translatable to other service providers.

kyledrake 10y ago

Ah the classic anti-cloud post that pretends to understand everyone's use cases and economics. You realize that everyone knows how expensive this stuff is. You realize that people plan and model growth around these figures. You realize that despite all of this, many people still go with cloud solutions because they get other benefits. I mean ffs, I would be laughed out of the room if I went to my investors and said we were putting everything in a datacenter. The historical statistics are that datacenters are far more likely to be a risk to the business than AWS is. It's as simple as that. Out of curiosity, do you really think that operating cost is the only metric that matters from a business standpoint?

blaisio 10y ago

The pricing is complicated, but not necessarily more complicated than the economics of managing a datacenter. And if you don't actually own the infrastructure, then it's also much easier to fix any mistakes you made while planning. Also, something like EC2 gives you much more support than a half rack in a datacenter does. You need to look beyond the system specs.

kyledrake 10y ago
This is the exact same argument for the dozens of hosting and even some "cloud" providers (which is really just rebranded hosting) that are quite capable of a) charging you the fair market price for what they're selling, and b) offering it with simple, unambiguous pricing structures. Even Google's Cloud (which I don't use and don't promote) has managed to integrate long-term use discounts into their pricing structure so that you don't have to engage in craziness like this. And FWIW, I would much rather deal with the complexities of a datacenter than specialize in the equal or greater complexities required to manage proprietary, black-hole solutions like this that serve to lock you in by forcing you to specialize in something that is not translatable to other service providers.