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ReMarkable – A writable eInk tablet
- orliesaurus 10y agocosts too much and lags too much - pass.
- igravious 10y agoI basically don't use my Kindle paoerwhite because of the tiny lag. It is regretful how impatient and intolerant I am. Many people seem fine with this amount of lag, not me. Probably the Remarkable has less lag but it's noticeable in the video. Wish e-ink products would specify the lag for various ops. As soon as a product like Remarkable gets below my annoyance/intolerance/impatience threshold I'm sold. I like adding diagrams to my text, probably I ought to get a digitiser and pen. Until e-ink reaches the sweet spot any recommendations?
- kayoone 10y agoI agree, the lag is barely tolerable for turning pages, but as soon as i want to mark something or look up a word in the dictionary, the lag really annoys me.
- Veen 10y agoI'm not sure on the Paperwhite, but on the Voyage there's an option to stop the kindle refreshing the screen on every page turn. It makes page turns faster, but you might see a tiny bit of ghosting from previous pages.
- david-given 10y agoOn the Paperwhite you can set it to refresh every fifteenth page turn, but I find the occasional flash of a refresh much more distracting than a flash every time, which I can get used to. In fact, these days I never even see the flash any more; it happens as I move my eye from bottom right to top left and so I'm hardly ever consciously aware of it.
- eric_h 10y ago> Remarkable has less lag but it's noticeable in the video I found the editing of that video to be extremely frustrating as I wanted to see a straight up shot of someone writing something on a blank screen. The only shot of that I saw (I scrubbed through the video pretty quickly, so I might have missed a better one) was blurred so much that I couldn't see how bad the lag was. I think that video was very clearly attempting to disguise how bad the lag is.
- snaky 10y agoThat's so common with e-ink devices. The quote is about another crowd-funded e-ink device[1] > Look at the two videos and it will be apparent that screen refreshes are horrible; they have highly edited the videos to hide this fact and other inconsistencies [1] https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3285829&postcount=8 https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3285829&pos...
- eric_h 10y ago> That's so common with e-ink devices Which is very unfortunate. The intentional deception is so obvious to me that it leaves me wondering what else they're hiding. As a result I won't touch the product with a ten foot pole.
- vwbiuvbu 10y agoyep pass. the pen will lag, it will be too slow flipping between pages (paper is instant), the software will suck, it won't do anything magical (like recognize handwriting correctly or provide constraint-based drawing assistance), and of course there will be some crappy cloud feature you don't want.
- aaronmck 10y agoThis is a bit of a repeat: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13113819 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13113819. To echo the old thread's sentiments, I'd be extremely happy to see this hit the market in late summer as a great full-page PDF viewer. Academics would never be happier. Just hoping it's not vaporware like so many others.
- puranjay 10y agoMy wife is in academia and this would be absolutely perfect for her. Right now, she loads things up on her iPad but the reading experience just isn't that good.
- erelde 10y agoMusicians as well.
- eoincathal 10y agoYup, would save a ton of printing from imslp.
- BanzaiTokyo 10y agoI absolutely love my Sony Digital Paper http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/show-digitalpaper/resource.solutions.bbsccms-assets-show-digitalpaper-digitalpaper.shtml http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/show-digitalpaper/resource.solu... it is a bit expensive, but it is a beautiful product and makes my life so much more comfortable.
- j_s 10y agoI was looking into getting one and according to CDW the Sony Digital Paper was discontinued January 17. My fear with the Remarkable is that they will try to require a monthly subscription to their cloud service in order for the device to function.
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- SyneRyder 10y agoI think you'd have to really, really prefer eInk to want this. If you just want an affordable tablet with writing ability, the Samsung Galaxy Tab A With S Pen is $299 on Amazon, and it has twice the storage (16GB plus a microSD slot) and 4x the RAM (2GB vs 512MB). S Note has improved a lot with better cut/paste/resizing features, and can synchronize your notes & sketches to Evernote. That's a beautifully designed product page though, and bonus points for including scenes from Malmö in their video.
- fulafel 10y agoThey are not really meant for the same applications. It's not running Android. E-ink displays are grayscale, they refresh very slowly compared to LCD/LED, completly lack glare, work well in sunlight. It's a different category of device, and yes it's meant for people who really, definitely do want this instead of a garden variety Android tablet.
- linuxkerneldev 10y ago> E-ink displays are grayscale Most, but not all. There are commercially available E-Ink color displays (using color filters) such as E-Ink Triton , http://www.eink.com/display_products_triton.html http://www.eink.com/display_products_triton.html . A year ago, E-Ink demonstrated pure color (pigment based) which gives you broad gamut color (more than color filter based displays) but I haven't seen them used in commercial products yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2V9iuTW3sA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2V9iuTW3sA The displays can update quickly, even do 10Hz-20Hz type animation. But that would defeat the purpose of using it for low-power by not updating it all.
- demarq 10y agoI dont think you buy this tablet for it's feature count. They make it pretty clear it's made to replace paper. I never worry about my papers ram, and I don't care for games and watching movies, and I certainly wouldn't want to strain my eyes outside trying to figure out what's on the screen. I'm not saying this tablet is a compromise, instead I'm saying that for what it is.. It's an all round superior product. I'd buy a galaxy to replace my mobile phone and laptop on the go... At that the galaxy is an all round superior device.
- DiabloD3 10y agoI'd get one in a heartbeat if the writing interface is as good as Microsoft Surface 4 Pro/Surfacebook, the only pen interface in the history of computing that I found wasn't an unusable laggy pile of shit. Seeing as it is based on Wacom technology, I'm going to assume they already failed this requirement. Also, they need to get the device price down. Anything over $200, and they already priced themselves out of the market for cheap tablet that has limited use.
- kayoone 10y agoWhats wrong with Wacom ? I have a Surface Pro 2 which afaik uses Wacom tech (i know the newer ones use Ntrig) but i find the pen input to be very responsive and nice.
- BinaryIdiot 10y agoI think you misunderstand parent; he / she was referring to Wacom technology as industry leading / the best.
- codebeaker 10y agoI understood the parent to conclude that choosing Wacom was a failure, as Wacom tech is not as good as whatever is in the Surface 4.
- DiabloD3 10y agoI've off and on owned Wacom tablets. None of them were an experience I decided to keep using no matter how neat having a pen interface on a PC is. Laggy as hell to the point they're unusable to me.
- morsch 10y agoProbably a driver or software issue. Can't imagine the Wacom hardware is inherently laggy.
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- ctbarrett 10y agoI have wanted something like this for years (ever since I got my first kindle), but I just can't get over the price - over $400 for what is basically an e-reader with a digitizer? I get that there's a premium to be paid for basically bootstrapping the production process, but I would have guessed that $300 would be closer to the top end for this (and I would still wait for the price to come down from there).
- ianai 10y agoI think the price makes sense. It's a bigger display than you get on the $200 kindle. It also has a digitizer (add $100), software, and the "bootstrap" extra. Now if they ever raise the price to 700+...nuts.
- ianai 10y agoI really wish I had this in undergrad. Back pains alone.
- Animats 10y agoThere's a 42-inch version of this from Quirk Logic.[1] Does almost exactly the same thing, but it's bigger, for groups. No price given. Like the little tablet, it uses a special pen. It's so close to the tablet in functionality that there must be some commonality. Eink displays are still expensive per pixel. Early on, the technology was touted as being cheap, but that hasn't happened. The contrast is much improved, though; it started as dark grey on light grey, as seen in early e-book readers, but some devices are now tolerable. Not the cheap ones, though. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyQc90MY3fo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyQc90MY3fo
- mamcx 10y agoI wish to have a large e-ink monitor for read & write, with a normal one for the rest. My eyes get tired fast and is mainly because I'm addicted to read ;)
- kayoone 10y agoThis looks really nice, but to be honest i find the experience with a Surface Pro and OneNote/Drawboard PDf so good when using the pen, i hardly need anything more and it doubles as a full desktop computer when i want to. In the end, for 200, maybe 250 EUR i would buy this, but not for double that.
- barking 10y agoI have never been much of an early technology adopter for this reason. The cost benefit ratio is almost always too high for me. Good job not everyone's the same. I could see myself getting one in a few years though if the price goes down so I wish them well.
- proee 10y agoDoes this come with a front light similar to Paperwhite on the Kindle? IMHO this is hugely important for good readability.
- fuzzythinker 10y agoIt's a good alternative to the discontinued SONY DPT-S1 and Onyx BOOX. (Edit: and goodereader) The main difference based on spec is the screen, pen sensitivity, and price. ReMarkable: - 10.3" 1872 x 1404 (4:3, 226 DPI) - 2048 levels sensitivity, high friction pen - $429 (limited time offer, preorder) SONY DPT-S1: (discontinued Jan 17, 2017) - 13.3" 1600 x 1200 (4:3, 150 DPI) - pen input - was $799 (now > $1k on ebay) Onyx BOOX Max: - 13.3" 1600 x 1200 (4:3, 150 DPI) - pen input - $760 Onyx BOOX N96: - 9.7" 1200x825 (16:11, 150 DPI) - pen input - $369 Goodereader: - 13.3" 1600 x 1200 (4:3, 150 DPI) - 1024 levels sensitivity pen - $699 (preorder)
- Tepix 10y agoToo bad about the missing backlight. I preordered one regardless, but i miss it already
- snaky 10y ago> In a couple of months Onyx is going to start production of Max Carta (same Max but with higher resolution Carta screen). Onyx Max 2 is in work and is expected later this year. https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3487807&postcount=804 https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3487807&pos...
- Al-Khwarizmi 10y agoI see that they ship to Europe, but do they ship European orders from Europe? I'm tempted by this, but I really don't want to play the customs lottery, not only due to the money (which is also a factor) but also due to the paperwork, etc.
- dagw 10y agoTheir business address is in Norway, but of course that doesn't say anything about where they ship from.
- lambdasue 10y agoI asked this question months ago (being based in Europe too) and the reply was that I will indeed have to pay my local VAT and import toll when receiving the product. When I explicitly followed up with whether this means they will ship from China they followed up with saying that it is very likely, but not set in stone yet.
- Al-Khwarizmi 10y agoThanks for the info! It's a pity. I'd rather pay an extra for shipping when I preorder, in exchange for not having to worry about customs, as some Kickstarters do (or as Amazon does). Customs in my country are cumbersome and used to be unreliable (I have heard reports that they aren't that bad lately, but I still avoid them as knee-jerk reaction).
- Thimothy 10y agoThey are a Norwegian company, so even if they ship from their European country and you live in any EU country, you still will have to pay customs. Bought it anyway, even with customs (and in my country are surprisingly straightforward), it's cheaper than alternatives.
- tmd83 10y agoDefinitely as an ereader user I would be interested any low lag technology even if I don't really want a bigger device currently. But I am also curious about the glass free display because I do really worry about the fragility of the e-ink displays. The idea of a textured surface is also very appealing if the display quality remains good.
- jlebrech 10y ago$429 is pretty high, you can get a few separates for less than that. but if it had a lot of b&w productivity apps it could be a better buy than an ipad pro.
- victorhooi 10y agoI think they're meant for different target markets and use-cases.
- petecox 10y agoThe video emphasises the creative aspects of the tablet but I wonder how they'll go without an online bookstore. They explicitly don't support DRM which means they can't, say, read titles bought from Google Play Books - if they hope to migrate Amazon and Rakuten customers.
- stewbrew 10y agoThe most remarkable thing is that I don't see anything -- even with javascript enabled. Must be the ad blocker or something. Why can't a landing page have any kind of fallback plain html page?
- omar3550 10y agoSo how is this different than the Amazon paperwhite tablets?
- devnonymous 10y agoIt's in the title -- you can write on it.
- chid 10y agoIs there a reason this doesn't take a microSD card?
- OJFord 10y agoThe only 'data loading mechanism' it mentions is the company's cloud service, and I suppose cloud-syncing multiple cards and internal storage would be a hard UX to get right. (As a user, you'd presumably want the new empty card you put in to sync with a different set of documents from your cloud account.)
- tempodox 10y agoI wonder how robust the stylus is. The iDevice styli have a quite limited life span.