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> it's no fun for them Have you considered that maybe it's "no fun" for them because the societal expectations of what girls and boys should enjoy begin from a

> it's no fun for them Have you considered that maybe it's "no fun" for them because the societal expectations of what girls and boys should enjoy begin from an early age? Perhaps the forms of play that lead many to programming (eg building things with lego) aren't encouraged as much as playing with dolls. These pressures and expectations come from family and friends from the day we are born, it's the classic problem of separating nature vs nurture.

mehaveaccount 10y ago
Male here, legos bored me. I do computers because I like computers. My parents, working class government employees, constantly pestered me to follow them and always asked me what anyone could possibly do with math and computers besides be an accountant, actuary, or teach those subjects in highschool. But like most males I had a driving interest in computers so I couldn't be dissuaded.
- drblast 10y ago
  My parents, 1987: "What are you going to do with that? You can't just sit in front of the computer all day for the rest of your life." Me, 2017: "How do you like me NOW?!" It's easy to forget that in the 1980's in the U.S. being obsessed with computers was not a highly regarded trait. The idea then that much of our work in the future would completely revolve around them was insanity to most people.
flukus 10y ago
Most people have considered this, yet most "solutions" the industry come up with kick in far too late in development.
notgood 10y ago
Separating nurture/nature is a dispurpose; like separating a house into bricks and pipelines, one is no good without the other. You could raise a child in isolation and see what comes up; but whatever happens the child is not going to handle too well being in any society later on. In all races/societies without exception human males are more inclined to fight wars, more inclined to suicide, why it is so hard to believe that some positive traits are also wired?
Fjolsvith 10y ago
Before I got my Vic-20, I had an extensive HO gauge train set. I would lay track all over the floor of the house, trying to see all the new combinations I could create. But, I never enjoyed running the trains as much as laying the track. Maybe that's why I enjoy coding so much.
imjustsaying 10y ago
>Have you considered that maybe it's "no fun" for them because the societal expectations of what girls and boys should enjoy begin from an early age? Do you have a link to data supporting this theory? The theory has been around for many years, I'm interested to see the new findings.

mehaveaccount 10y ago

Male here, legos bored me. I do computers because I like computers. My parents, working class government employees, constantly pestered me to follow them and always asked me what anyone could possibly do with math and computers besides be an accountant, actuary, or teach those subjects in highschool. But like most males I had a driving interest in computers so I couldn't be dissuaded.

drblast 10y ago
My parents, 1987: "What are you going to do with that? You can't just sit in front of the computer all day for the rest of your life." Me, 2017: "How do you like me NOW?!" It's easy to forget that in the 1980's in the U.S. being obsessed with computers was not a highly regarded trait. The idea then that much of our work in the future would completely revolve around them was insanity to most people.

flukus 10y ago

Most people have considered this, yet most "solutions" the industry come up with kick in far too late in development.

notgood 10y ago

Separating nurture/nature is a dispurpose; like separating a house into bricks and pipelines, one is no good without the other. You could raise a child in isolation and see what comes up; but whatever happens the child is not going to handle too well being in any society later on. In all races/societies without exception human males are more inclined to fight wars, more inclined to suicide, why it is so hard to believe that some positive traits are also wired?

Fjolsvith 10y ago

Before I got my Vic-20, I had an extensive HO gauge train set. I would lay track all over the floor of the house, trying to see all the new combinations I could create. But, I never enjoyed running the trains as much as laying the track. Maybe that's why I enjoy coding so much.

imjustsaying 10y ago

>Have you considered that maybe it's "no fun" for them because the societal expectations of what girls and boys should enjoy begin from an early age? Do you have a link to data supporting this theory? The theory has been around for many years, I'm interested to see the new findings.