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Is this a BS that would be recognizable? I gotta ask. I also gotta ask: Is it rigorous? Not just time wise. I want a program that will be stimulating (even if b

Is this a BS that would be recognizable? I gotta ask. I also gotta ask: Is it rigorous? Not just time wise. I want a program that will be stimulating (even if brutal). For clarity: when I say recognizable, I mean, we aren't talking some for profit online uni like DeVry. I'm not exactly looking for Stanford level, just something that would has a respectable reputation for actually teaching. edit: I really don't know if I'm asking this question in a way that is non-aggressive, so I apologize in advance. I'm very interested in this (I never heard of it before) and I'm just wondering how much you like it.

chrisseaton 10y ago
Are you asking if a degree conferred by the University of London is more recognisable than one from a place like DeVry? Yes - colleges of the University of London are frequently in the top ten of all universities in the world.
- nagvx 10y ago
  However, LSoE is not the same as Goldsmiths, which is the college mentioned here. London colleges are generally good but there is quite a lot of variance - between "great" and "the very best".
  - no_wizard 10y ago
    I'll take great. I'm okay with that. even 3500 USD is a steal for something like that. I wonder if the cost is so low because they don't get any grants/subsidies from anything other than the UK government, so this is pretty much pure profit from a administrative perspective?
    - vmasto 10y ago
      I'm kind of skeptical about the total cost, I've been looking at the fees section of the course's website (http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/courses/undergraduate/goldsmiths/bsc-computing-information-systems-bsc-diploma-work-entry-route#fees http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/courses/undergraduate/g...) and it looks it's upwards to $7000 per annum for the BSc, or I'm missing something.
      - no_wizard 10y ago
        I believe thats total cost of degree, if I'm reading this right, when converted, is 6921 USD (or 7K). Which works out to less than 2500 a year (which is what I was working on). I figure, if you start count some additional unexpected expenses somewhere, 2500 is reasonable. Still a steal. From what it sounds like and upon doing more research, is a all around solid uni. I wonder too if its too good to be true myself. Haven't found evidence to the contrary yet. I WOULD LOVE some input from anyone who actually studied this, hopefully from the USA? though any input is good.
      - ghufran_syed 10y ago
        No, it really is around $7000 for the whole thing! It used to be more like $7500, but the british pound dropped after Brexit :) I live in the SF Bay area, and I am doing the BS in Computing and Information Systems. My daughter is doing the Creative Computing BS, while working full-time as a software engineer in SF - she actually got a transfer place at UCLA to study math a few years ago, but decided she'd rather learn while working, and this lets her do that. Happy to answer any questions, here or by PM.
        vmasto 10y ago
        Wow then it is actually extremely interesting. My main question is about time, if you don't mind answering. The website estimates about 250 hours per course, looks like about 4 courses per year for the first two years, that would amount to about 4 hours of study per day (weekends included) per season (about 9 months), how accurate is this? In short, how much time do you devote on the program? Also, how are exams conducted? Does one have to be physically present?
        ghufran_syed 10y ago
        I would say that if you're doing the University of London BS full-time (4 courese), it's completely equivalent in terms of time required to full-time study in the US. So I think that's about the right order of magnitude. There are exam centers all over the place, even Wyoming has two! You only have to go there for the exams in May. There is a link below with this year's exam schedule for the CS exams, just to get an idea of the timings. http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/sites/default/files/documents/usa_exam_centres.pdf http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/sites/default/files/doc... http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/current-students-exams-cis-cc-exam-timetable http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/current-students-exams-...
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    - ghufran_syed 10y ago
      I think the cost is so low because they are providing the absolute minimum in terms of a degree - curriculum, and marking of assessments and exams. In fact, you even pay for them separately, so you can pay some amount ($800?) In September to register for the year on 4 courses (which is full time, equivalent to 30 semester units in the US), and get access to the whole curriculum. Then you can decide by Feb the following year which exams you want to do, and only pay for the ones you want to do that year, which is around $300 per exam. You are mostly self taught, though there are some online forums with teaching staff available to answer questions.
- vmasto 10y ago
  I think they're asking more like what's the difference between this degree (which is remote) and an "actual" degree in UoL where you attend normally and physically as a student. That's also my question.
- ghufran_syed 10y ago
  The degree you get is the same one you would get offline from the University of London - in fact, you can transfer to the final year of the offline degree if you're willing to pay the (much higher) tuition costs. That suggests that the curriculum and marking standards are the same, in fact I believe that the exams themselves are actually the same as the in-person exams. http://www.qmul.ac.uk/international/international-students/entryrequirements// http://www.qmul.ac.uk/international/international-students/e...
peteretep 10y ago
There's also: https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ A lot more expensive (£25,000 all-in, part-time over four years), a reasonably well-known university, it's an MSc, flexible curriculum, no undergrad degree needed.
- ggambetta 10y ago
  "Reasonably well-known university" XD
  - jumasheff 10y ago
    It's in top 50 in UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankings_of_universities_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankings_of_universities_in_th...
    - peteretep 10y ago
      And in the top 500 in World Rankings too!
    - ggambetta 10y ago
      I'm aware. I live in London. I just found the idea of calling Oxford, an almost thousand-year-old university "reasonably well know" absolutely hilarious!
      - no_wizard 10y ago
        I admit two things here. 1) Deep ignorance of British Cultural and Educational institutions. I honestly didn't equate this with "University of London is world class, you idiot" type thinking. I don't know why, I think it comes from the fact that some universities want to seem more legit, at least in the US, will attempt to sort of use a well known universities naming scheme. Like [American University](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_University) which is has a solid reputation as a learning institution and [American Public University](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Public_University_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Public_University_Sys...) which for all I can tell, attempts to ride the back of the name of American University, but is not exactly known for its quality of education. 2) Given that, I felt uncomfortable even given some research poking around I was doing stating anything too affirmatively.
ghufran_syed 10y ago
The university of london international programme (used to be called the external programme) has been around for more than 100 years, these are some of the alumni (not in CS though!) http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/our-global-reputation/our-history/notable-past-students?page=1 http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/our-global-reputation/o...

chrisseaton 10y ago

Are you asking if a degree conferred by the University of London is more recognisable than one from a place like DeVry? Yes - colleges of the University of London are frequently in the top ten of all universities in the world.

nagvx 10y ago
However, LSoE is not the same as Goldsmiths, which is the college mentioned here. London colleges are generally good but there is quite a lot of variance - between "great" and "the very best".
- no_wizard 10y ago
  I'll take great. I'm okay with that. even 3500 USD is a steal for something like that. I wonder if the cost is so low because they don't get any grants/subsidies from anything other than the UK government, so this is pretty much pure profit from a administrative perspective?
  - vmasto 10y ago
    I'm kind of skeptical about the total cost, I've been looking at the fees section of the course's website (http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/courses/undergraduate/goldsmiths/bsc-computing-information-systems-bsc-diploma-work-entry-route#fees http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/courses/undergraduate/g...) and it looks it's upwards to $7000 per annum for the BSc, or I'm missing something.
    - no_wizard 10y ago
      I believe thats total cost of degree, if I'm reading this right, when converted, is 6921 USD (or 7K). Which works out to less than 2500 a year (which is what I was working on). I figure, if you start count some additional unexpected expenses somewhere, 2500 is reasonable. Still a steal. From what it sounds like and upon doing more research, is a all around solid uni. I wonder too if its too good to be true myself. Haven't found evidence to the contrary yet. I WOULD LOVE some input from anyone who actually studied this, hopefully from the USA? though any input is good.
    - ghufran_syed 10y ago
      No, it really is around $7000 for the whole thing! It used to be more like $7500, but the british pound dropped after Brexit :) I live in the SF Bay area, and I am doing the BS in Computing and Information Systems. My daughter is doing the Creative Computing BS, while working full-time as a software engineer in SF - she actually got a transfer place at UCLA to study math a few years ago, but decided she'd rather learn while working, and this lets her do that. Happy to answer any questions, here or by PM.
      - vmasto 10y ago
        Wow then it is actually extremely interesting. My main question is about time, if you don't mind answering. The website estimates about 250 hours per course, looks like about 4 courses per year for the first two years, that would amount to about 4 hours of study per day (weekends included) per season (about 9 months), how accurate is this? In short, how much time do you devote on the program? Also, how are exams conducted? Does one have to be physically present?
        ghufran_syed 10y ago
        I would say that if you're doing the University of London BS full-time (4 courese), it's completely equivalent in terms of time required to full-time study in the US. So I think that's about the right order of magnitude. There are exam centers all over the place, even Wyoming has two! You only have to go there for the exams in May. There is a link below with this year's exam schedule for the CS exams, just to get an idea of the timings. http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/sites/default/files/documents/usa_exam_centres.pdf http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/sites/default/files/doc... http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/current-students-exams-cis-cc-exam-timetable http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/current-students-exams-...
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  - ghufran_syed 10y ago
    I think the cost is so low because they are providing the absolute minimum in terms of a degree - curriculum, and marking of assessments and exams. In fact, you even pay for them separately, so you can pay some amount ($800?) In September to register for the year on 4 courses (which is full time, equivalent to 30 semester units in the US), and get access to the whole curriculum. Then you can decide by Feb the following year which exams you want to do, and only pay for the ones you want to do that year, which is around $300 per exam. You are mostly self taught, though there are some online forums with teaching staff available to answer questions.
vmasto 10y ago
I think they're asking more like what's the difference between this degree (which is remote) and an "actual" degree in UoL where you attend normally and physically as a student. That's also my question.
ghufran_syed 10y ago
The degree you get is the same one you would get offline from the University of London - in fact, you can transfer to the final year of the offline degree if you're willing to pay the (much higher) tuition costs. That suggests that the curriculum and marking standards are the same, in fact I believe that the exams themselves are actually the same as the in-person exams. http://www.qmul.ac.uk/international/international-students/entryrequirements// http://www.qmul.ac.uk/international/international-students/e...

peteretep 10y ago

There's also: https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ A lot more expensive (£25,000 all-in, part-time over four years), a reasonably well-known university, it's an MSc, flexible curriculum, no undergrad degree needed.

ggambetta 10y ago
"Reasonably well-known university" XD
- jumasheff 10y ago
  It's in top 50 in UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankings_of_universities_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankings_of_universities_in_th...
  - peteretep 10y ago
    And in the top 500 in World Rankings too!
  - ggambetta 10y ago
    I'm aware. I live in London. I just found the idea of calling Oxford, an almost thousand-year-old university "reasonably well know" absolutely hilarious!
    - no_wizard 10y ago
      I admit two things here. 1) Deep ignorance of British Cultural and Educational institutions. I honestly didn't equate this with "University of London is world class, you idiot" type thinking. I don't know why, I think it comes from the fact that some universities want to seem more legit, at least in the US, will attempt to sort of use a well known universities naming scheme. Like [American University](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_University) which is has a solid reputation as a learning institution and [American Public University](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Public_University_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Public_University_Sys...) which for all I can tell, attempts to ride the back of the name of American University, but is not exactly known for its quality of education. 2) Given that, I felt uncomfortable even given some research poking around I was doing stating anything too affirmatively.

ghufran_syed 10y ago

The university of london international programme (used to be called the external programme) has been around for more than 100 years, these are some of the alumni (not in CS though!) http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/our-global-reputation/our-history/notable-past-students?page=1 http://www.londoninternational.ac.uk/our-global-reputation/o...