They've certainly taken rhetoric classes. They just have the slight problem that they have near-zero facts on their side. Of course, they're decent enough rhe

They've certainly taken rhetoric classes. They just have the slight problem that they have near-zero facts on their side. Of course, they're decent enough rhetoricians to shift fully into meta-level philosophical sophistry when that gets brought up, but that's... not helpful against those of us who recognize sophistry as such.