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>You do realize that building that wall essentially says: Mexicans, you're on your own, you won't be able to vote with your feet any more, and we will not allow

by Arizhel 10y ago

>You do realize that building that wall essentially says: Mexicans, you're on your own, you won't be able to vote with your feet any more, and we will not allow you to come to work in the USA to send money home in order to slowly increase the standard of living South of the border, made worse by American companies being strong-armed into operating North of that same border? Please explain what prevents Mexico from improving its standard of living on its own. Mexico is not some kind of slave to America; it's a sovereign nation, in control of its own destiny. It's free to trade with all the other 200+ nations on Earth, or to attempt to negotiate having its people go live there. Why does America get all the blame in your world for Mexico's problems? Who does America get to blame for its problems?

jacquesm 10y ago
> Please explain what prevents Mexico from improving its standard of living on its own. Nothing whatsoever. Except of course that no country exists 'on its own'. > Mexico is not some kind of slave to America; it's a sovereign nation, in control of its own destiny. No, it's a lot less in control of its own destiny than America, mostly because of America (incidentally, also the biggest consumer in the drug trade). To all intents and purposes Mexico is utterly dependent on what happens on the other side of the border. Of course it is easy to deny that if you choose to do so but it suits quite a few interests in the United States just fine to have a weak and poor country next door. To the point that there have been serious interventions in Mexican internal affairs to keep it that way benefiting (mostly American) foreign strategic and economic interests. > It's free to trade with all the other 200+ nations on Earth, or to attempt to negotiate having its people go live there. To the extent that it is able to do so, it does. > Why does America get all the blame in your world for Mexico's problems? It doesn't. Why do you read it as such? America is to blame only to such an extent that they first establish a whole pile of factories abroad when it suits them and then at the drop of a hat imperils the newly created stability and middle-class in a country next door. That sort of action comes with responsibility. > Who does America get to blame for its problems? With great power comes great responsibility. If you don't want to be seen as responsible do not continuously mess in other countries affairs and when you do realize that you can't withdraw that support overnight.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> Why does America get all the blame in your world for Mexico's problems? Where do you think the vast majority of the money propping up the organized crime groups that are disrupting civil society in Mexico comes from? The flow of money from the US involved is, proportional to the size of target economy, equivalent to some other country funnelling something like $200 billion a year to armed anti-government groups in the US.

by Arizhel 10y ago

jacquesm 10y ago

> Please explain what prevents Mexico from improving its standard of living on its own. Nothing whatsoever. Except of course that no country exists 'on its own'. > Mexico is not some kind of slave to America; it's a sovereign nation, in control of its own destiny. No, it's a lot less in control of its own destiny than America, mostly because of America (incidentally, also the biggest consumer in the drug trade). To all intents and purposes Mexico is utterly dependent on what happens on the other side of the border. Of course it is easy to deny that if you choose to do so but it suits quite a few interests in the United States just fine to have a weak and poor country next door. To the point that there have been serious interventions in Mexican internal affairs to keep it that way benefiting (mostly American) foreign strategic and economic interests. > It's free to trade with all the other 200+ nations on Earth, or to attempt to negotiate having its people go live there. To the extent that it is able to do so, it does. > Why does America get all the blame in your world for Mexico's problems? It doesn't. Why do you read it as such? America is to blame only to such an extent that they first establish a whole pile of factories abroad when it suits them and then at the drop of a hat imperils the newly created stability and middle-class in a country next door. That sort of action comes with responsibility. > Who does America get to blame for its problems? With great power comes great responsibility. If you don't want to be seen as responsible do not continuously mess in other countries affairs and when you do realize that you can't withdraw that support overnight.

dragonwriter 10y ago

> Why does America get all the blame in your world for Mexico's problems? Where do you think the vast majority of the money propping up the organized crime groups that are disrupting civil society in Mexico comes from? The flow of money from the US involved is, proportional to the size of target economy, equivalent to some other country funnelling something like $200 billion a year to armed anti-government groups in the US.