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> except that breaking the law has been Uber's business model since day 1. So tired of hearing this. It's just parrots talking in the echo chamber. Show me a c

> except that breaking the law has been Uber's business model since day 1. So tired of hearing this. It's just parrots talking in the echo chamber. Show me a court verdict that Uber broke the law.

bonzini 10y ago
"Uber, suspension is definitive: service forbidden across all of Italy" http://mobile.ilsole24ore.com/solemobile/main/art/tecnologie/2015-07-09/uberpop-sospensione-e-definitiva-servizio-vietato-tutta-italia-180534.shtml?uuid=ACjtzsO http://mobile.ilsole24ore.com/solemobile/main/art/tecnologie... This is about UberPOP.
asimov_ 10y ago
"Uber will pay as much as $25 million to settle a civil lawsuit with the district attorneys in Los Angeles and San Francisco" https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/technology/uber-settles-suit-over-driver-background-checks.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/technology/uber-settles-s... "Uber settles driver lawsuit over background checks, to pay $7.5 million" http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uber-lawsuit-idUSKCN0Z12GS http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uber-lawsuit-idUSKCN0Z12GS "Uber has agreed to pay $28.5 million to settle litigation brought by customers who alleged the ride hailing service misrepresented the quality of its safety practices and the fees it charged passengers" http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uber-tech-safety-settlement-idUSKCN0VK2J1 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uber-tech-safety-settlemen... Need more?
- aianus 10y ago
  Settlements are not admissions of guilt.
  - catshirt 10y ago
    if your definition of guilt is "found guilty by a jury"- then sure. but because OP claimed they were "breaking the law", whether or not they were found guilty is irrelevant (by your definition). that is, just because one was not found guilty by deliberation does not mean one didn't break the law.
    - aianus 10y ago
      They may or may not have broken the law but asimov_ is trying to present settlements as proof of lawbreaking which is invalid.
      - catshirt 10y ago
        because it settled the best we can do is vet the material and make our own educated decisions. they're asking for proof of an opinion. (i feel compelled to mention, some opinions hold more water than others. i think we are free to carefully speculate).
  - st3v3r 10y ago
    Yeah, they kinda are.
  - nathanaldensr 10y ago
    Nor are they admissions of innocence. However, if they were to lean one way, I'd say guilt is the direction they lean.
    - hammeiam 10y ago
      I don't think anyone has ever admitted to being innocent.
  - obstinate 10y ago
    No, but they do waggle their eyebrows suggestively and whisper, "Look over here!"
halflings 10y ago
I was in Helsinki a couple weeks ago. They are offering their services there even if it is totally illegal [1]. Of course, it's the Uber drivers taking the fall, and Uber is letting this happen, simply hiding part of the license plate on the app to make it harder for authorities. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-16/uber-drivers-under-criminal-investigation-by-finland-s-police https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-16/uber-driv...
- jpatokal 10y ago
  From TFA: "Uber Technologies Inc.’s app remains available in Helsinki -- there’s no law against it as is the case in other cities around the world -- but drivers are required to have a permit, which few drivers have, according to the police." TL;DR: App is legal, most drivers are not.

> except that breaking the law has been Uber's business model since day 1. So tired of hearing this. It's just parrots talking in the echo chamber. Show me a court verdict that Uber broke the law.

bonzini 10y ago

"Uber, suspension is definitive: service forbidden across all of Italy" http://mobile.ilsole24ore.com/solemobile/main/art/tecnologie/2015-07-09/uberpop-sospensione-e-definitiva-servizio-vietato-tutta-italia-180534.shtml?uuid=ACjtzsO http://mobile.ilsole24ore.com/solemobile/main/art/tecnologie... This is about UberPOP.

asimov_ 10y ago

"Uber will pay as much as $25 million to settle a civil lawsuit with the district attorneys in Los Angeles and San Francisco" https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/technology/uber-settles-suit-over-driver-background-checks.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/technology/uber-settles-s... "Uber settles driver lawsuit over background checks, to pay $7.5 million" http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uber-lawsuit-idUSKCN0Z12GS http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uber-lawsuit-idUSKCN0Z12GS "Uber has agreed to pay $28.5 million to settle litigation brought by customers who alleged the ride hailing service misrepresented the quality of its safety practices and the fees it charged passengers" http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uber-tech-safety-settlement-idUSKCN0VK2J1 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uber-tech-safety-settlemen... Need more?

aianus 10y ago
Settlements are not admissions of guilt.
- catshirt 10y ago
  if your definition of guilt is "found guilty by a jury"- then sure. but because OP claimed they were "breaking the law", whether or not they were found guilty is irrelevant (by your definition). that is, just because one was not found guilty by deliberation does not mean one didn't break the law.
  - aianus 10y ago
    They may or may not have broken the law but asimov_ is trying to present settlements as proof of lawbreaking which is invalid.
    - catshirt 10y ago
      because it settled the best we can do is vet the material and make our own educated decisions. they're asking for proof of an opinion. (i feel compelled to mention, some opinions hold more water than others. i think we are free to carefully speculate).
- st3v3r 10y ago
  Yeah, they kinda are.
- nathanaldensr 10y ago
  Nor are they admissions of innocence. However, if they were to lean one way, I'd say guilt is the direction they lean.
  - hammeiam 10y ago
    I don't think anyone has ever admitted to being innocent.
- obstinate 10y ago
  No, but they do waggle their eyebrows suggestively and whisper, "Look over here!"

halflings 10y ago

I was in Helsinki a couple weeks ago. They are offering their services there even if it is totally illegal [1]. Of course, it's the Uber drivers taking the fall, and Uber is letting this happen, simply hiding part of the license plate on the app to make it harder for authorities. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-16/uber-drivers-under-criminal-investigation-by-finland-s-police https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-16/uber-driv...

jpatokal 10y ago
From TFA: "Uber Technologies Inc.’s app remains available in Helsinki -- there’s no law against it as is the case in other cities around the world -- but drivers are required to have a permit, which few drivers have, according to the police." TL;DR: App is legal, most drivers are not.