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> Than why so many leaked memos show that Bannon and Miller want to reduce family Visas for those already legally here? From http://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli

> Than why so many leaked memos show that Bannon and Miller want to reduce family Visas for those already legally here? From http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/1/14773298/merit-based-immigration http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/1/14773298/mer...: "Reforming the immigration system to be more “merit-based” is predicated on the idea that some of these slots are going to the wrong immigrants — immigrants who don’t have as much to give the US as the US has to give them. Proponents point to Australia and Canada — places that don’t have the American tradition of family-based migration, and that deliberately select for immigrants who are likely to contribute economically and assimilate culturally from the moment they arrive. In these countries, having a family member who’s already a citizen doesn’t guarantee you a spot as an immigrant yourself — having an advanced degree, being fluent in the language, and being able to support yourself (or have a job waiting for you when you arrive) matter as much or more." Yes, Australia and Canada. > Why is Bannon and Miller's favorite novel a racist French book about Europe becoming less white? I could not find the quote from Bannon or Miller saying that "Camp of the Saints is my favourite novel"? Where can I find this? > Why when Bannon was interviewed on radio he said he wanted to bring the numbers on legal immigration way down? See http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/2/14472404/steve-bannon-legal-immigration-problem http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/2/14472404/ste... He is talking about H1-B visa abuse, just as the OP says. "They get into graduate schools, they can’t get engineering degrees, they can’t get into graduate schools because there are all these foreign students, when they come out, they can’t get a job." NOTE: "Foreign students". You do realise that by addressing this problem, he is helping all American citizens - who are all different ethnicities. > You're fooling yourself if you think this is just about undocumented Mexicans, Muslims, or H1-B abuse. There's way too much circumstantial rhetoric that's been said that indicates this is something more and we invite peril if we don't harshly Critique it. You, my friend, are reading fake news.

ntelson1s 10y ago
Get your facts outta here. Can't you see people are trying to force a perceived threat based on their feelings here?
- kakarot 10y ago
  This is the comment that takes the middle ground and explains to both of you that nothing is black and white and there are bad and good things about Trump's immigration agenda. His plans could actually be philanthropically motivated, but they are undeniably being prematurely spun into action without reasonable consultation from an array of experts and this is the source of most of its flaws. These flaws may or may not be too big to ignore, but without a panel of unbiased experts assigned to investigate the matter we are making an immature decision to support his impulsive strategy of setting policy.
  - rat87 10y ago
    There's no false middle ground We're dealing with an extremely xenophobic white house and need to unite against it.
    - kakarot 10y ago
      Don't say "There's no false middle ground" ... That is extremely assumptive and cocky. Say what you really mean: "I only see this issue in black and white as a byproduct of my nascent understanding of the various forces at play in American politics and the motivations behind them." You do understand that the average person sympathizes more with middle-ground attitudes, right? That speaking in extremes, except when necessary, can have the unintended effect of polarizing people? Affirming the beliefs of proponents and strengthening the resolve of opponents. There is a reason that social disrupters who use Persona Management software aim for the middle ground when they speak. They use moderate voices that give a "balanced" view of both sides, before concluding one way or the other. Why? Because it has been shown to be a lot more effective and a greater number of people will be willing to digest the argument presented to them. Most people are on the fence and just need a little push in the right direction. They are more inclined to listen to a voice they sympathize with and less inclined to automatically become defensive and closed. But keep up your strategy and we'll see how it goes. I'm sure your extremist "Everyone in the White House is xenophobic" argument is doing just fine.
- masondixon 10y ago
cromwellian 10y ago
> I could not find the quote from Bannon or Miller saying that "Camp of the Saints is my favourite novel"? Where can I find this? So you are able to dig up quotes supporting your spin, but couldn't run a Google search finding a quote on Camp of the Saints? Here, this HuffPo article links directly to SoundCloud interviews where you can hear him say it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-bannon-camp-of-the-saints-immigration_us_58b75206e4b0284854b3dc03 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-bannon-camp-of-the... Re: This is about "merit" >He is talking about H1-B visa abuse, just as the OP says. Trump: Trump [...] asked him about keeping “our talented people in the country,” especially international graduates of Ivy League universities. Bannon: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think...” Bannon responded before trailing off, according to the Post. Yeah, fake news, from the horses mouth himself. Do you really think American citizens are having tough time finding work because of H1-B abuse? The unemployment rate in the tech industry fell to 2% in 2016, well below the level of full employment. The median salary is $90k nationally, and >$100k in major tech centers (CA, NY, TX, etc). Sure, H1-B abuse should be reduced, but more because it hurts companies truly trying to fill requirement positions to build products, by fly-by-night consulting firms. Speaking of someone in the tech industry for 20+ years, I'd say the biggest problem isn't the immigrants, it's the education system and the culture. It is not the fault of immigrants that Americans aren't getting advanced degrees, or that entire Phd departments are F-1 Visas, or that so many native born candidates are lack luster. American culture's "melting pot" could benefit from an infusion of immigrant culture from those who are still hungry and have a very high valuation placed on education and grit. Keeping them out just makes us weak and complacent.
- masondixon 10y ago
  > Here, this HuffPo article links directly to SoundCloud interviews where you can hear him say it: I cannot find it. Please give me a timecode. It being his favourite novel is implied from MSM is it not? > Bannon: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think...” Bannon responded before trailing off, according to the Post. Me and you will both have the opportunity to wait and see what happens. Right now the left is all about scary predictions. Tell me an objective measure we can use in 4 years (or 2 if he is impeached as you like to predict), that we can point to to say that you were right and I was wrong about Bannon. > I'd say the biggest problem isn't the immigrants, it's the education system and the culture. H1B's are good to hire because there is the threat of having to leave, and losing ability to go for green card if they are fired. So they accept low wages, you don't have to give them pay rises, they will not leave for another company. This is ripe for abuse. So its not just education and culture, its also government immigration policies -- and this is not the fault of the immigrants -- no-one is saying the immigrants are at fault here...

ntelson1s 10y ago

Get your facts outta here. Can't you see people are trying to force a perceived threat based on their feelings here?

kakarot 10y ago
This is the comment that takes the middle ground and explains to both of you that nothing is black and white and there are bad and good things about Trump's immigration agenda. His plans could actually be philanthropically motivated, but they are undeniably being prematurely spun into action without reasonable consultation from an array of experts and this is the source of most of its flaws. These flaws may or may not be too big to ignore, but without a panel of unbiased experts assigned to investigate the matter we are making an immature decision to support his impulsive strategy of setting policy.
- rat87 10y ago
  There's no false middle ground We're dealing with an extremely xenophobic white house and need to unite against it.
  - kakarot 10y ago
    Don't say "There's no false middle ground" ... That is extremely assumptive and cocky. Say what you really mean: "I only see this issue in black and white as a byproduct of my nascent understanding of the various forces at play in American politics and the motivations behind them." You do understand that the average person sympathizes more with middle-ground attitudes, right? That speaking in extremes, except when necessary, can have the unintended effect of polarizing people? Affirming the beliefs of proponents and strengthening the resolve of opponents. There is a reason that social disrupters who use Persona Management software aim for the middle ground when they speak. They use moderate voices that give a "balanced" view of both sides, before concluding one way or the other. Why? Because it has been shown to be a lot more effective and a greater number of people will be willing to digest the argument presented to them. Most people are on the fence and just need a little push in the right direction. They are more inclined to listen to a voice they sympathize with and less inclined to automatically become defensive and closed. But keep up your strategy and we'll see how it goes. I'm sure your extremist "Everyone in the White House is xenophobic" argument is doing just fine.
masondixon 10y ago

cromwellian 10y ago

> I could not find the quote from Bannon or Miller saying that "Camp of the Saints is my favourite novel"? Where can I find this? So you are able to dig up quotes supporting your spin, but couldn't run a Google search finding a quote on Camp of the Saints? Here, this HuffPo article links directly to SoundCloud interviews where you can hear him say it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-bannon-camp-of-the-saints-immigration_us_58b75206e4b0284854b3dc03 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-bannon-camp-of-the... Re: This is about "merit" >He is talking about H1-B visa abuse, just as the OP says. Trump: Trump [...] asked him about keeping “our talented people in the country,” especially international graduates of Ivy League universities. Bannon: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think...” Bannon responded before trailing off, according to the Post. Yeah, fake news, from the horses mouth himself. Do you really think American citizens are having tough time finding work because of H1-B abuse? The unemployment rate in the tech industry fell to 2% in 2016, well below the level of full employment. The median salary is $90k nationally, and >$100k in major tech centers (CA, NY, TX, etc). Sure, H1-B abuse should be reduced, but more because it hurts companies truly trying to fill requirement positions to build products, by fly-by-night consulting firms. Speaking of someone in the tech industry for 20+ years, I'd say the biggest problem isn't the immigrants, it's the education system and the culture. It is not the fault of immigrants that Americans aren't getting advanced degrees, or that entire Phd departments are F-1 Visas, or that so many native born candidates are lack luster. American culture's "melting pot" could benefit from an infusion of immigrant culture from those who are still hungry and have a very high valuation placed on education and grit. Keeping them out just makes us weak and complacent.

masondixon 10y ago
> Here, this HuffPo article links directly to SoundCloud interviews where you can hear him say it: I cannot find it. Please give me a timecode. It being his favourite novel is implied from MSM is it not? > Bannon: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think...” Bannon responded before trailing off, according to the Post. Me and you will both have the opportunity to wait and see what happens. Right now the left is all about scary predictions. Tell me an objective measure we can use in 4 years (or 2 if he is impeached as you like to predict), that we can point to to say that you were right and I was wrong about Bannon. > I'd say the biggest problem isn't the immigrants, it's the education system and the culture. H1B's are good to hire because there is the threat of having to leave, and losing ability to go for green card if they are fired. So they accept low wages, you don't have to give them pay rises, they will not leave for another company. This is ripe for abuse. So its not just education and culture, its also government immigration policies -- and this is not the fault of the immigrants -- no-one is saying the immigrants are at fault here...