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Because Nylon (other than radiating heat back) doesn't trap heat worth a damn, often makes noises when you move, and various other things (doesn't absorb water)

by agentgt 10y ago

Because Nylon (other than radiating heat back) doesn't trap heat worth a damn, often makes noises when you move, and various other things (doesn't absorb water). Now a mixture of nylon is a different thing but I was referring to 100%. Frankly I find the tactile feel of most synthetics (especially nylon exterior wear) pretty nasty (particularly the more water resistant/proof it is).

Arizhel 10y ago
Maybe you're just weird. Lots of winter jackets these days are made of nylon outer layers and you're the only person I've ever heard call it "nasty". Obviously lots of people like them or else they wouldn't be selling so well.
- agentgt 10y ago
  > Maybe you're just weird. Lots of winter jackets these days are made of nylon outer layers and you're the only person I've ever heard call it "nasty". People who want to move silently do not wear nylon (ask hunters and various hikers). I admit I find the feeling of it weird as it has a rough canvas feeling but even canvas feels better (I'm talking the jackets that use nylon). As per your other comment (different thread) about hosiery being made out of nylon that is because nylon is so strong and not because it is comfortable. The other options like silk would be far more comfortable. This is where spider silk could actually be a great alternative. > Obviously lots of people like them or else they wouldn't be selling so well. Actually nylon is becoming seen less and less for outerwear exterior particularly for performance wear or luxury wear. In large part this is due to breathability and weight. For example most of Patagonia's jackets these days aim for breathability so they sacrifice 100% waterproof nylon with a DWR polyester. Most of the high end brand outwear jackets now use a cotton blend + polyester (canadian goose, Fjallraven G1000, etc). I agree that nylon is superior in terms of strength and cost but clearly it isn't the most comfortable nor has a luxurious feel. It is also a regarded as dangerous to wear if you are around fire. Wool and Cotton/Poly blends are still often preferred by campers. I have admitted multitude of times that nylon is great for what it is but you seem contentious to prove it is the ultimate fabric. I would rather wear 100% merino wool (which I'm wearing now) than 100% nylon any day.
  - Arizhel 10y ago
    I never said it was "the ultimate fabric", you just seem to hate it, and I object to you calling it "nasty"; there's lots of nylon clothing that feels fine, and quality women's hosiery certainly doesn't have any "rough canvas feeling" (meaning the fabric can obviously be made and woven many different ways; when you make it for water-resistance it's not going to have the same feel as for hosiery, which is most certainly not water-resistant). As for 70s clothes, I have no idea, probably preferences. Everyone these days seems to wear jeans, particularly men, but that doesn't mean that denim is the best thing for pants either, though it seems to work well enough for many people. It's not that great for warmth (but not terrible), it's terrible for water-resistance, and isn't all that great for durability either (as the knees of my jeans have shown over and over throughout the years). Another factor is polyester in the 70s: it was a new "wonder" fabric back then, but then fell out of favor, and was seen as cheap and crappy compared to cotton. Now it seems to be making a resurgence. Perhaps they've figured out how to make better versions of it now, which end up being better overall, for certain applications, than nylon.
    - agentgt 10y ago
      I meant 100% nylon is nasty comfort wise. It is an opinion. I don't hate nylon. I'm wearing Darn Tough socks that have nylon in them. I wore a rain jacket the other day that was 100% nylon. I love nylon for what it is but I don't think it isn't even remotely comfortable fabric (at extremely high %) even with varying weaves (compared to say silk). Nylon socks (100% which are hard to find) are just not as comfortable. If you think they are that is fine but I think more people would agree that is not the case. I'm sure you can make quality hosiery out of nylon but I still find it disturbing that you think women enjoy wearing hosiery. The high end hosier is made out of silk which it was traditionally made out of. Some people are even allergic to nylon. The reason this argument is relevant other than just pure opinion is spider silk if made cheap would make a great alternative to nylon and is the reason I picked out nylon to pick on in the first place! I mean I could go on and on about polyurethane but it isn't relevant to spider silk.
      - Arizhel 10y ago

by agentgt 10y ago

Arizhel 10y ago

Maybe you're just weird. Lots of winter jackets these days are made of nylon outer layers and you're the only person I've ever heard call it "nasty". Obviously lots of people like them or else they wouldn't be selling so well.

agentgt 10y ago
> Maybe you're just weird. Lots of winter jackets these days are made of nylon outer layers and you're the only person I've ever heard call it "nasty". People who want to move silently do not wear nylon (ask hunters and various hikers). I admit I find the feeling of it weird as it has a rough canvas feeling but even canvas feels better (I'm talking the jackets that use nylon). As per your other comment (different thread) about hosiery being made out of nylon that is because nylon is so strong and not because it is comfortable. The other options like silk would be far more comfortable. This is where spider silk could actually be a great alternative. > Obviously lots of people like them or else they wouldn't be selling so well. Actually nylon is becoming seen less and less for outerwear exterior particularly for performance wear or luxury wear. In large part this is due to breathability and weight. For example most of Patagonia's jackets these days aim for breathability so they sacrifice 100% waterproof nylon with a DWR polyester. Most of the high end brand outwear jackets now use a cotton blend + polyester (canadian goose, Fjallraven G1000, etc). I agree that nylon is superior in terms of strength and cost but clearly it isn't the most comfortable nor has a luxurious feel. It is also a regarded as dangerous to wear if you are around fire. Wool and Cotton/Poly blends are still often preferred by campers. I have admitted multitude of times that nylon is great for what it is but you seem contentious to prove it is the ultimate fabric. I would rather wear 100% merino wool (which I'm wearing now) than 100% nylon any day.
- Arizhel 10y ago
  I never said it was "the ultimate fabric", you just seem to hate it, and I object to you calling it "nasty"; there's lots of nylon clothing that feels fine, and quality women's hosiery certainly doesn't have any "rough canvas feeling" (meaning the fabric can obviously be made and woven many different ways; when you make it for water-resistance it's not going to have the same feel as for hosiery, which is most certainly not water-resistant). As for 70s clothes, I have no idea, probably preferences. Everyone these days seems to wear jeans, particularly men, but that doesn't mean that denim is the best thing for pants either, though it seems to work well enough for many people. It's not that great for warmth (but not terrible), it's terrible for water-resistance, and isn't all that great for durability either (as the knees of my jeans have shown over and over throughout the years). Another factor is polyester in the 70s: it was a new "wonder" fabric back then, but then fell out of favor, and was seen as cheap and crappy compared to cotton. Now it seems to be making a resurgence. Perhaps they've figured out how to make better versions of it now, which end up being better overall, for certain applications, than nylon.
  - agentgt 10y ago
    I meant 100% nylon is nasty comfort wise. It is an opinion. I don't hate nylon. I'm wearing Darn Tough socks that have nylon in them. I wore a rain jacket the other day that was 100% nylon. I love nylon for what it is but I don't think it isn't even remotely comfortable fabric (at extremely high %) even with varying weaves (compared to say silk). Nylon socks (100% which are hard to find) are just not as comfortable. If you think they are that is fine but I think more people would agree that is not the case. I'm sure you can make quality hosiery out of nylon but I still find it disturbing that you think women enjoy wearing hosiery. The high end hosier is made out of silk which it was traditionally made out of. Some people are even allergic to nylon. The reason this argument is relevant other than just pure opinion is spider silk if made cheap would make a great alternative to nylon and is the reason I picked out nylon to pick on in the first place! I mean I could go on and on about polyurethane but it isn't relevant to spider silk.
    - Arizhel 10y ago