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Since no one is complaining: I find Syncthing too complicated to set up. You must create a folder, then get a number for a computer (which you end up writing in

by fiatjaf 10y ago

Since no one is complaining: I find Syncthing too complicated to set up. You must create a folder, then get a number for a computer (which you end up writing in a pastepad or something like that because the two computers don't communicate), then go to the other computer and place the number in, then do the same for the second computer to the first. Repeat it for 5 or 6 machines. If any machine is switched what do you do? Start over again establishing the link with all other machines.

fiatjaf 10y ago
I came to wander if there was market demand for some kind of "Syncthing Admin" that would centralize this process for corporative users, and provide other kinds of features (commands from "Syncthing Admin" could be transmitted through Syncthing itself!).
meonkeys 10y ago
I think the "introducer" feature is supposed to simplify this process, but I don't understand it.
- okket 10y ago
  Once you established a connection to the 'introducer', it will introduce your device to all other devices it knows and vice versa. You still need to authorise these introductions on the devices, but no typing/copying of crypto strings.
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okket 10y ago
This is the price you have to pay for a (secure) decentralised system, but syncthing tries to help where it can. E.g. you can set a syncthing instance as an 'introducer', so you only have to establish a connection to this device to get offered connections to all others devices. You still need to authorise these introductions on the devices, but you do not need to type in the crypto verification strings.
- vocatus_gate 10y ago
  That's how I do it. My use case is a large number of nodes (>200) need read-only access to data I provide from my node. So my node is set as "introducer" and gives the host list to everyone joining the swarm.
- danieldk 10y ago
  This is the price you have to pay for a (secure) decentralised system, but syncthing tries to help where it can. In general, Resilio Sync's 'key per folder' model seems to work better. I can give a key to other people and they can join the swarm without extra work on either sides. Also, it has a logical extension to encrypted-only peers: they get a derived key that can be used to sync in the swarm, but cannot decrypt the data. If there was a stable open source program using Resilio Sync's sharing model, I would switch in a heartbeat. (There is Librevault, but it still seems to be mostly in development.)
  - brotherjerky 10y ago
    Where can I read about the swarm capability? I'm searching for something like how BTSync worked, but I don't see how Syncthing does this. It seems like one to one sharing, per: https://forum.syncthing.net/t/can-i-use-synthing-to-distribute-content-like-btsync/173/5 https://forum.syncthing.net/t/can-i-use-synthing-to-distribu...
  - ohnoesjmr 10y ago
    Yeah, the only problem is you can never "un-give" a key, which means you either have to rebuild your cluster under a different key (having to re-give key to everyone else apart from that one guy you want to kick out), or deal with the person having access to the data forever.
    - danieldk 10y ago
      Indeed, with the standard folders you cannot do this. With the identity-based sharing, you can remove someone from a folder. The identity-based sharing model has some downsides (no support for encrypted read-only peers), but does support user management.
mouldysammich 10y ago
You can make a machine an introducer so any things that are added on that machine are added to all the others on your network, also it has qr codes so adding to an android phone is very easy. its gonna be the same with any other p2p sync client. I think its even the same for resillo.
unhammer 10y ago
Just set one up as the introducer, makes it much easier. Also, you get auto-complete in the field where you select the id, so you don't actually have to type it in …
pmontra 10y ago
The mobile app can read a qrcode from the screen of the laptop/desktop. My setup is laptop, phone, tablet. Phone and tablet are master for their own pictures, screenshots, downloads, contacts. The laptop is master for everything else, keepassx included. I don't share anything over Google and Dropbox.
canton7 10y ago
Once you've added machine A to machine B, you should see a prompt on machine A to add machine B. So yes, it's a bit painful (and is the price you pay for the level of security you get), but it's not quite as bad as you make out.

by fiatjaf 10y ago

fiatjaf 10y ago

I came to wander if there was market demand for some kind of "Syncthing Admin" that would centralize this process for corporative users, and provide other kinds of features (commands from "Syncthing Admin" could be transmitted through Syncthing itself!).

meonkeys 10y ago

I think the "introducer" feature is supposed to simplify this process, but I don't understand it.

okket 10y ago
Once you established a connection to the 'introducer', it will introduce your device to all other devices it knows and vice versa. You still need to authorise these introductions on the devices, but no typing/copying of crypto strings.
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okket 10y ago

This is the price you have to pay for a (secure) decentralised system, but syncthing tries to help where it can. E.g. you can set a syncthing instance as an 'introducer', so you only have to establish a connection to this device to get offered connections to all others devices. You still need to authorise these introductions on the devices, but you do not need to type in the crypto verification strings.

vocatus_gate 10y ago
That's how I do it. My use case is a large number of nodes (>200) need read-only access to data I provide from my node. So my node is set as "introducer" and gives the host list to everyone joining the swarm.
danieldk 10y ago
This is the price you have to pay for a (secure) decentralised system, but syncthing tries to help where it can. In general, Resilio Sync's 'key per folder' model seems to work better. I can give a key to other people and they can join the swarm without extra work on either sides. Also, it has a logical extension to encrypted-only peers: they get a derived key that can be used to sync in the swarm, but cannot decrypt the data. If there was a stable open source program using Resilio Sync's sharing model, I would switch in a heartbeat. (There is Librevault, but it still seems to be mostly in development.)
- brotherjerky 10y ago
  Where can I read about the swarm capability? I'm searching for something like how BTSync worked, but I don't see how Syncthing does this. It seems like one to one sharing, per: https://forum.syncthing.net/t/can-i-use-synthing-to-distribute-content-like-btsync/173/5 https://forum.syncthing.net/t/can-i-use-synthing-to-distribu...
- ohnoesjmr 10y ago
  Yeah, the only problem is you can never "un-give" a key, which means you either have to rebuild your cluster under a different key (having to re-give key to everyone else apart from that one guy you want to kick out), or deal with the person having access to the data forever.
  - danieldk 10y ago
    Indeed, with the standard folders you cannot do this. With the identity-based sharing, you can remove someone from a folder. The identity-based sharing model has some downsides (no support for encrypted read-only peers), but does support user management.

mouldysammich 10y ago

You can make a machine an introducer so any things that are added on that machine are added to all the others on your network, also it has qr codes so adding to an android phone is very easy. its gonna be the same with any other p2p sync client. I think its even the same for resillo.

unhammer 10y ago

Just set one up as the introducer, makes it much easier. Also, you get auto-complete in the field where you select the id, so you don't actually have to type it in …

pmontra 10y ago

The mobile app can read a qrcode from the screen of the laptop/desktop. My setup is laptop, phone, tablet. Phone and tablet are master for their own pictures, screenshots, downloads, contacts. The laptop is master for everything else, keepassx included. I don't share anything over Google and Dropbox.

canton7 10y ago

Once you've added machine A to machine B, you should see a prompt on machine A to add machine B. So yes, it's a bit painful (and is the price you pay for the level of security you get), but it's not quite as bad as you make out.