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Making it compulsory is bad as that means everybody will be forced to pay membership costs and can increase unemployment. Let companies decide what workers the
by witty_username 10y ago
Making it compulsory is bad as that means everybody will be forced to pay membership costs and can increase unemployment.
Let companies decide what workers they want.
- andy_ppp 10y agoI mean salaries [1] for almost everyone other than executives and programmers haven't increased in 20 years. Corporate profits on the other hand are at record levels - so basically in my opinion workers are being screwed. [1] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/for-most-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/for-most-wor...
- witty_username 10y agoEconomies are not zero-sum. The gain of corporations doesn't mean workers are being "screwed". Corporate profits are good; they mean more return to shareholders.
- xg15 10y agoShareholders, who are for the most part not workers. If living costs raise and the quality of available jobs worsens (e.g. less job security) but your wage stays the same that's objectively a loss.
- witty_username 10y agoWorkers indirectly invest in the stock market through retirement funds and other investments. Also, I think higher profits increase bond yields and bank interest rates. > If living costs raise and the quality of available jobs worsens (e.g. less job security) but your wage stays the same that's objectively a loss. True, but that hasn't happened.
- alex_hitchins 10y ago> Let companies decide what workers they want. Let companies manipulate their workforce as much as they want?. It's THEIR workforce after all?
- witty_username 10y agoDefine "manipulate".
- alex_hitchins 10y agoGoogle gives "control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly or unscrupulously." I'd say keeping your workers confused about their rights was a form of unscrupulous control. Hurts the bottom line when employees want things they are entitled to by law.
- witty_username 10y agoSource for "keeping your workers confused"? It seems like Uber is making drivers listen to anti-union propaganda.
- alex_hitchins 10y agoThe source for that quote is sort of in your second sentence. Why should a company want to give this anti-union propaganda to it's workforce?
- xg15 10y ago> Let companies decide what workers they want. The ones who cost the least, probably.
- dexterdog 10y agoActually, the ones that give the most productivity per dollar, if the company has any intelligence.
- witty_username 10y agoThat is just like how we buy things for the lowest price.
- davexunit 10y ago>Let companies decide what workers they want. What you're saying is "companies should hold a lot of power over workers." Management is much more powerful than an individual worker and collective bargaining via unions seeks to be a check on that power. Why is that so undesirable?
- witty_username 10y agoIt's undesirable because the company shouldn't be forced to allow unions. Maybe the company thinks unions are inefficient or doesn't like the collective bargaining power (in extreme cases it resembles a monopoly). Companies and workers are entitled to their opinion. Workers can choose to work at companies that allow unions. Of course management (multiple people) should be more powerful than an individual worker.