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So if there is no autocrat, how do the collective allocate resources?

by altstar 10y ago

jhbadger 10y ago
Lots of possible ways. Peer review is one. It's how resources are allocated in science. If you want to do a project in science you write a grant proposal. Other scientists evaluate your proposal and if your proposal is scored more highly than others it gets funded. Obviously, peer review, like any democratic process, is not without flaws (and many scientists have written rants about how the reviewers of their rejected proposals were idiots), but it works reasonably well in practice.
- Mikhail_Edoshin 10y ago
  This is going to be a very slow system at the very least. You don't steer a ship by a committee and this is for a reason.
guest 10y ago
Following is written as opinion for legality reasons, verify claims by yourself. @ altstar and colatkinson Why do you think Sweden has been burnt down to the ground as a VERY successfull alternative (using social democracy) combining democracy (weaving in plutocracy/conservatism), socialism and capitalism. The Swedish model is more relevant now than ever before though at this time the think tanks (like Timbro) in Sweden has muddled the water about what the Swedish model actually is. The next step upwards has allready been taken and it's not the immigration brought on by conservatives (who introduced the multicultural term in sweden) or social democrats failing to handle the zero (read; population) growth economy. Keynes > Friedman the last regressive and his followers; Thatcher (who knew about the pedophilia ring in UK and did nothing) and Reagan. * About Sweden burning, read up on the Swedish debt and when/how the majority was attained. * Yes, Sweden had a good position after WWII, however the progress of the nation started in the 1800 not second half of 1900. * Right now the battle for democracy over plutocracy is ongoing in EU, that is the real reason people supported Brexit - not the "new" grander template for effectively being a "modern" tax haven (nor the NWO). Without borders you canno't upkeep democracy - without economical sanctions (executive power) to back up political decisions (normative power) there simply is no actual democracy. The first step is corporativism, the key to it is having a functioning democracy first (that means roots have to rise, aka shit will pass it's tipping point), where effected groups discuss and have influence over the executive side (how should a political decision come to life) of decisions that the goverment gets elected on and that those are actually followed. In Sweden SN (Swedish industry representatives) broke that deal and ended the joint progress in that manner, that lead to more moderate policies and companies being overtaken of global gigants - shifting work from the nation and slowly, slowly deteriorating the quality brands. It also lead to value flowing out from Sweden at an increased rate, decreasing national monetaric value. * Don't get me wrong trading is positive, it increases the incremental technological evolution until markets stagnate alot, but some areas are better kept up to ensure other markets function - by using societal efficient institutions - aka universal institutions. Solving the tragedy of the commons.
maxander 10y ago
A trivial answer would be; through systems overseen by elected representatives, roughly the same system that allocates state resources in the U.S.. There's more to be allocated, and allocating resources correctly becomes vastly more important, but the problem is the same.
- altstar 10y ago
  Any place you can point to where this was implemented and works or worked?
  - maxander 10y ago
    The Scandinavian socialist countries are a step in the right direction, but no, not really. To some degree, this is because communism is a new idea that has had relatively few chances at implementation, and their implementors were either immediately corrupt or had undue faith in themselves. But also because there are fairly major unsolved problems with letting elected representatives manage resources, as abundantly demonstrated by capitalist democracies. And likewise, there are manifest (social) problems with letting corporations manage resources; humanity has yet to find a solution for governing that reliably "works," IMHO.
    - altstar 10y ago
      The Scandinavian countries are not socialistic. The means of production and ownership of capital is still in private hands.
- testrun 10y ago
  If you think the problem is the same you simply have no clue.

So if there is no autocrat, how do the collective allocate resources?

by altstar 10y ago

So if there is no autocrat, how do the collective allocate resources?

Lots of possible ways. Peer review is one. It's how resources are allocated in science. If you want to do a project in science you write a grant proposal. Other scientists evaluate your proposal and if your proposal is scored more highly than others it gets funded. Obviously, peer review, like any democratic process, is not without flaws (and many scientists have written rants about how the reviewers of their rejected proposals were idiots), but it works reasonably well in practice.

Mikhail_Edoshin 10y ago
This is going to be a very slow system at the very least. You don't steer a ship by a committee and this is for a reason.

guest 10y ago

Following is written as opinion for legality reasons, verify claims by yourself. @ altstar and colatkinson Why do you think Sweden has been burnt down to the ground as a VERY successfull alternative (using social democracy) combining democracy (weaving in plutocracy/conservatism), socialism and capitalism. The Swedish model is more relevant now than ever before though at this time the think tanks (like Timbro) in Sweden has muddled the water about what the Swedish model actually is. The next step upwards has allready been taken and it's not the immigration brought on by conservatives (who introduced the multicultural term in sweden) or social democrats failing to handle the zero (read; population) growth economy. Keynes > Friedman the last regressive and his followers; Thatcher (who knew about the pedophilia ring in UK and did nothing) and Reagan. * About Sweden burning, read up on the Swedish debt and when/how the majority was attained. * Yes, Sweden had a good position after WWII, however the progress of the nation started in the 1800 not second half of 1900. * Right now the battle for democracy over plutocracy is ongoing in EU, that is the real reason people supported Brexit - not the "new" grander template for effectively being a "modern" tax haven (nor the NWO). Without borders you canno't upkeep democracy - without economical sanctions (executive power) to back up political decisions (normative power) there simply is no actual democracy. The first step is corporativism, the key to it is having a functioning democracy first (that means roots have to rise, aka shit will pass it's tipping point), where effected groups discuss and have influence over the executive side (how should a political decision come to life) of decisions that the goverment gets elected on and that those are actually followed. In Sweden SN (Swedish industry representatives) broke that deal and ended the joint progress in that manner, that lead to more moderate policies and companies being overtaken of global gigants - shifting work from the nation and slowly, slowly deteriorating the quality brands. It also lead to value flowing out from Sweden at an increased rate, decreasing national monetaric value. * Don't get me wrong trading is positive, it increases the incremental technological evolution until markets stagnate alot, but some areas are better kept up to ensure other markets function - by using societal efficient institutions - aka universal institutions. Solving the tragedy of the commons.

maxander 10y ago

A trivial answer would be; through systems overseen by elected representatives, roughly the same system that allocates state resources in the U.S.. There's more to be allocated, and allocating resources correctly becomes vastly more important, but the problem is the same.

altstar 10y ago
Any place you can point to where this was implemented and works or worked?
- maxander 10y ago
  The Scandinavian socialist countries are a step in the right direction, but no, not really. To some degree, this is because communism is a new idea that has had relatively few chances at implementation, and their implementors were either immediately corrupt or had undue faith in themselves. But also because there are fairly major unsolved problems with letting elected representatives manage resources, as abundantly demonstrated by capitalist democracies. And likewise, there are manifest (social) problems with letting corporations manage resources; humanity has yet to find a solution for governing that reliably "works," IMHO.
  - altstar 10y ago
    The Scandinavian countries are not socialistic. The means of production and ownership of capital is still in private hands.
testrun 10y ago
If you think the problem is the same you simply have no clue.