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I would eat my own hat before I let a "guild council" dictate anything that could impact my code style or the way I do things. The lack of centralized control

by Sunset 10y ago

I would eat my own hat before I let a "guild council" dictate anything that could impact my code style or the way I do things. The lack of centralized control is a good thing. In other industries you can be barred from even working in the field if the "council" doesn't like you. Things like the lawyers' bar are complete bullshit as a concept in themselves.

mdpopescu 10y ago
People who "made it" are always trying to restrict the field. The excuses are many - protecting the poor, the quality, the children... but the reality is always "we are afraid of the competition".
pnathan 10y ago
> I would eat my own hat before I let a "guild council" dictate anything that could impact my code style or the way I do things. That attitude is exactly why we have quality and fad problems. ::shrug::
- WkndTriathlete 10y ago
  That attitude is also why we have nice things like Linux and AWS.
  - Arizhel 10y ago
    Are you sure about that? MS and Windows came about in a world with his attitude. If we had had a guild, would Windows have become the dominant desktop OS? Or would UNIX have persisted instead, and Linux never been invented (as a reaction to MS's dominance and the demise of UNIX)? Besides, isn't the argument here that a guild would enforce more conformity upon professional programmers? Linux wasn't made by professionals, in the beginning; it was made by a college student who then collaborated with other academics. A guild can't prevent that, any more than it can prevent people from buying copper pipe and fittings from Home Depot and fixing their own plumbing. And further, how long did it take before companies really started taking Linux seriously? It was ages before free and open-source software finally got (mostly) past the attitudes that hindered its adoption in corporations. I don't see how a guild would have changed this at all.
  - wavefunction 10y ago
    Linux is centrally controlled by Linus and AWS is centrally controlled by Amazon. I guess I'm missing your connections between those two things and de-centralised control.
eecc 10y ago
Well, I've been touting a guild to break out of the horse trader circle where you're evaluated from the keyword search on your cv, the alternative being worse: codility. What's wrong in having a professional guild that makes you more than an FTE?
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jessaustin 10y ago
Things like the lawyers' bar are complete bullshit as a concept in themselves. Since at this point the marginal benefit to the populace for each additional lawyer is negative, I'm glad the Bar has done even the little it has to limit the number of lawyers. I certainly wouldn't want to see an even less regulated market in lawyer service... eventually when most coders are coding pay2win games we'll have some regulations imposed from outside.

by Sunset 10y ago

mdpopescu 10y ago

People who "made it" are always trying to restrict the field. The excuses are many - protecting the poor, the quality, the children... but the reality is always "we are afraid of the competition".

pnathan 10y ago

> I would eat my own hat before I let a "guild council" dictate anything that could impact my code style or the way I do things. That attitude is exactly why we have quality and fad problems. ::shrug::

WkndTriathlete 10y ago
That attitude is also why we have nice things like Linux and AWS.
- Arizhel 10y ago
  Are you sure about that? MS and Windows came about in a world with his attitude. If we had had a guild, would Windows have become the dominant desktop OS? Or would UNIX have persisted instead, and Linux never been invented (as a reaction to MS's dominance and the demise of UNIX)? Besides, isn't the argument here that a guild would enforce more conformity upon professional programmers? Linux wasn't made by professionals, in the beginning; it was made by a college student who then collaborated with other academics. A guild can't prevent that, any more than it can prevent people from buying copper pipe and fittings from Home Depot and fixing their own plumbing. And further, how long did it take before companies really started taking Linux seriously? It was ages before free and open-source software finally got (mostly) past the attitudes that hindered its adoption in corporations. I don't see how a guild would have changed this at all.
- wavefunction 10y ago
  Linux is centrally controlled by Linus and AWS is centrally controlled by Amazon. I guess I'm missing your connections between those two things and de-centralised control.

eecc 10y ago

Well, I've been touting a guild to break out of the horse trader circle where you're evaluated from the keyword search on your cv, the alternative being worse: codility. What's wrong in having a professional guild that makes you more than an FTE?

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jessaustin 10y ago

Things like the lawyers' bar are complete bullshit as a concept in themselves. Since at this point the marginal benefit to the populace for each additional lawyer is negative, I'm glad the Bar has done even the little it has to limit the number of lawyers. I certainly wouldn't want to see an even less regulated market in lawyer service... eventually when most coders are coding pay2win games we'll have some regulations imposed from outside.