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> Your description sounds more like the far-right than anything else Generally both extremes of the political spectrum are immune to reason, and these two extr

> Your description sounds more like the far-right than anything else Generally both extremes of the political spectrum are immune to reason, and these two extremes seem to now have taken over in the US. What remains is a shouting match. What a friend of mine described from his recent visit to the country really concerns me. Hotels either showing "conservative" or "liberal" media only. People and cars with stickers and pins everywhere. Exactly like two football fan clubs - unconditional support of the own and hatred of the other. Americans, you need to fix this as quickly as possible. Truly liberal minded should stand guard when conservatives are speaking and vice versa. Go into the details of each argument and find common ground, points of content as well as a synthesis. And stop listening to organisations like the "Southern poverty law center" who go as far as labeling Maajid Nawaz and Ajaan Hirsi Ali "Anti-Muslim extremists". In fact, stop with the labels altogether - if full blown KKK members and even grand dragons can be befriended and turned by a black musician [1], I think it's time for those shouters to stop and think about what they have done personally to mend society. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davis

drostie 10y ago
Worth pointing out: the extreme polarization appears to be the straightforward consequence of our election process in the States. Our government divides the country into a bunch of districts and forces each one of them to run a first-past-the-post election. Every position is first-past-the-post. The problem is that first-past-the-post seems to have a fixed point, where if parties get too popular they fragment over minor internal differences, or if not popular enough they polarize and demonize to try to suppress third-party turnout and collect those votes for themselves. The fixed point is therefore that 50% of the legislators belong to one party, 50% belong to the other, and everyone is filled with credulity for their own side and hatred for the other. And mathematical fixed-point theorems seem to be general enough to converge on this fixed-point. It's worth pointing out that you can just look at the presidential election history and see a sequence of these convergences culminating in the US Civil War, and we seem to be falling back into it in the past several election cycles -- not just this last one. What's even more interesting is that we use proportional methods in the States. The proportional system that you might know as the Sainte-Laguë system, we know as the Webster system and use to allocate House seats among the states. If we used something similar to elect parties to the House, we could probably keep the Senate and the Presidency the same and it would still give a sort of destabilizing effect to the two-party hatred-hegemony.
0xC0DECAFE2020 10y ago
Just this week I was at a McDonald's for morning coffee amd walked in on a guy going balistic at the employees... because CNN was on the monitors. He was yelling at them to turn off the "fake news." It was at that point that I realized just how bad this is about to get.

drostie 10y ago

Worth pointing out: the extreme polarization appears to be the straightforward consequence of our election process in the States. Our government divides the country into a bunch of districts and forces each one of them to run a first-past-the-post election. Every position is first-past-the-post. The problem is that first-past-the-post seems to have a fixed point, where if parties get too popular they fragment over minor internal differences, or if not popular enough they polarize and demonize to try to suppress third-party turnout and collect those votes for themselves. The fixed point is therefore that 50% of the legislators belong to one party, 50% belong to the other, and everyone is filled with credulity for their own side and hatred for the other. And mathematical fixed-point theorems seem to be general enough to converge on this fixed-point. It's worth pointing out that you can just look at the presidential election history and see a sequence of these convergences culminating in the US Civil War, and we seem to be falling back into it in the past several election cycles -- not just this last one. What's even more interesting is that we use proportional methods in the States. The proportional system that you might know as the Sainte-Laguë system, we know as the Webster system and use to allocate House seats among the states. If we used something similar to elect parties to the House, we could probably keep the Senate and the Presidency the same and it would still give a sort of destabilizing effect to the two-party hatred-hegemony.

0xC0DECAFE2020 10y ago

Just this week I was at a McDonald's for morning coffee amd walked in on a guy going balistic at the employees... because CNN was on the monitors. He was yelling at them to turn off the "fake news." It was at that point that I realized just how bad this is about to get.