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This is why we can't have nice things

by phyller 10y ago

rdtsc 10y ago
What was the nice thing here though?
- phyller 10y ago
  The internet, freedom of speech. I know, we do actually have those things, its a facetious comment, but with a kernel of truth. Our freedoms rests more on personal respect and responsibility than the government and military. Once we pass a certain percentage of people who celebrate antisocial behavior, things just break down. Cities only exist because less than 1% of people think its ok to randomly throw bricks through windows or punch strangers. If that number creeps up to some other larger, but still very small percentage of people, cities just wouldn't be livable anymore. These guys just decided to troll this project, and went to extraordinary lengths to break the law and ruin someone else's dream. If more people did this type of thing, no one would feel safe expressing themselves or sharing information of any kind.
  - rdtsc 10y ago
    I think there is more to this story than just random vandalism, or say a personal feud. What is different here is this was a political issue. I don't think they would go and throw bricks at storefronts, or rob people on the street and so on. This was done as a political taunt. But I may be wrong, I don't go to 4 chan, this is the impression I got from reading about it. > These guys just decided to troll this project, and went to extraordinary lengths to break the law and ruin someone else's dream It seems they didn't go to extraordinary lengths just to break the law. They would have done this even if it was on public property and there was no reason to break the law. The goal was to prove a point. There is another disturbing and interesting process happening and that is of disarming of slogans and political speech by appropriation. This random group of participants basically showed that indeed "He Will Not Divide Us" by coming together and solving a technical problem to prove a political point. So in a way they appropriated the slogan and applied to themselves. That makes the slogan less effective. The exact same thing happened with "Fake News" it was used for a while but it was appropriated by Trump's supporters and it ended up backfiring. Now major mass media channels are openly taunted and are defending themselves against the charge of being "Fake News" and so on.
    - rbanffy 10y ago
      > I don't think they would go and throw bricks at storefronts, or rob people on the street and so on. Sure. Trump supporters just deny people healthcare and burn mosques. Apart from that, they are exemplary citizens. > basically showed that indeed "He Will Not Divide Us" by coming together and solving a technical problem to prove a political point. By taking down a flag with "He Will Not Divide Us" and replacing it with a MAGA hat and a Pepe. That really helps...
      - rdtsc 10y ago
        > just deny people healthcare didn't ACA prices go up 100% in some places with a majority of insurance companies withdrawing from the markets in some states? How did Trump supporters do that? > and burn mosques Incident of mosque arson is up? Interesting, do have links to any statistics on that? Seems rather implausible Did you mean case http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-man-pleads-guilty-in-mosque-fire-10785703.php http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-man-... where Gary Nathaniel Moore burned his own mosque? Or another one from Bellevue Washington were a person related to the mosque burned it down: http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/15/us/washington-mosque-arson/ http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/15/us/washington-mosque-arson/ ? It seems there is a rise if congregants burning their own mosques down lately, wonder what prompted that... Apparently also Trump supporters are going around slashing Muslim women's faces with knives. Oh wait, no there is a rise in Muslim women slashing their own faces and then filing fake police reports http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/EMS-Possible-Slashing-Lower-Manhattan-Wall-Street-374191921.html http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/EMS-Possible-Slashing-L...
        rbanffy 10y ago
        About ACA premium increases, you may want to check https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/09/us/politics/who-is-really-affected-by-rising-obamacare-premiums.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/09/us/politics/w... "previously been arrested for making a disturbance at the mosque" is not exactly "related". Apart from that, you have two cases.

This is why we can't have nice things

by phyller 10y ago

This is why we can't have nice things

rdtsc 10y ago

What was the nice thing here though?

phyller 10y ago
The internet, freedom of speech. I know, we do actually have those things, its a facetious comment, but with a kernel of truth. Our freedoms rests more on personal respect and responsibility than the government and military. Once we pass a certain percentage of people who celebrate antisocial behavior, things just break down. Cities only exist because less than 1% of people think its ok to randomly throw bricks through windows or punch strangers. If that number creeps up to some other larger, but still very small percentage of people, cities just wouldn't be livable anymore. These guys just decided to troll this project, and went to extraordinary lengths to break the law and ruin someone else's dream. If more people did this type of thing, no one would feel safe expressing themselves or sharing information of any kind.
- rdtsc 10y ago
  I think there is more to this story than just random vandalism, or say a personal feud. What is different here is this was a political issue. I don't think they would go and throw bricks at storefronts, or rob people on the street and so on. This was done as a political taunt. But I may be wrong, I don't go to 4 chan, this is the impression I got from reading about it. > These guys just decided to troll this project, and went to extraordinary lengths to break the law and ruin someone else's dream It seems they didn't go to extraordinary lengths just to break the law. They would have done this even if it was on public property and there was no reason to break the law. The goal was to prove a point. There is another disturbing and interesting process happening and that is of disarming of slogans and political speech by appropriation. This random group of participants basically showed that indeed "He Will Not Divide Us" by coming together and solving a technical problem to prove a political point. So in a way they appropriated the slogan and applied to themselves. That makes the slogan less effective. The exact same thing happened with "Fake News" it was used for a while but it was appropriated by Trump's supporters and it ended up backfiring. Now major mass media channels are openly taunted and are defending themselves against the charge of being "Fake News" and so on.
  - rbanffy 10y ago
    > I don't think they would go and throw bricks at storefronts, or rob people on the street and so on. Sure. Trump supporters just deny people healthcare and burn mosques. Apart from that, they are exemplary citizens. > basically showed that indeed "He Will Not Divide Us" by coming together and solving a technical problem to prove a political point. By taking down a flag with "He Will Not Divide Us" and replacing it with a MAGA hat and a Pepe. That really helps...
    - rdtsc 10y ago
      > just deny people healthcare didn't ACA prices go up 100% in some places with a majority of insurance companies withdrawing from the markets in some states? How did Trump supporters do that? > and burn mosques Incident of mosque arson is up? Interesting, do have links to any statistics on that? Seems rather implausible Did you mean case http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-man-pleads-guilty-in-mosque-fire-10785703.php http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-man-... where Gary Nathaniel Moore burned his own mosque? Or another one from Bellevue Washington were a person related to the mosque burned it down: http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/15/us/washington-mosque-arson/ http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/15/us/washington-mosque-arson/ ? It seems there is a rise if congregants burning their own mosques down lately, wonder what prompted that... Apparently also Trump supporters are going around slashing Muslim women's faces with knives. Oh wait, no there is a rise in Muslim women slashing their own faces and then filing fake police reports http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/EMS-Possible-Slashing-Lower-Manhattan-Wall-Street-374191921.html http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/EMS-Possible-Slashing-L...
      - rbanffy 10y ago
        About ACA premium increases, you may want to check https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/09/us/politics/who-is-really-affected-by-rising-obamacare-premiums.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/09/us/politics/w... "previously been arrested for making a disturbance at the mosque" is not exactly "related". Apart from that, you have two cases.