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>Shia's flag said "he will not divide us" it was a message of unity Unity that excludes almost half of the US population. I'm glad that people reacted against

>Shia's flag said "he will not divide us" it was a message of unity Unity that excludes almost half of the US population. I'm glad that people reacted against the passive-aggresiveness of this message when the stream was hosted in a public space. I don't condone stealing on a private property but let's not fool ourselves here, the message of this art project is reinforcing the US vs THEM mentality that is currently tearing Americans apart rather than truly trying to unify people.

hackuser 10y ago
> excludes almost half of the US population It does not. They are free and encouraged to join in (AFAIK). Those who embrace racial and religious discrimination, of course, might not choose the join, as the message contradicts their beliefs. But that is an old issue and red herring, the paradox of tolerance. Tolerate everyone but the intolerant, who are parasites on the social contract of tolerance.
- mohanmcgeek 10y ago
  "he will not divide us" means that you're saying he's trying to divide you. So, you're making a claim about someone without backing it, and when people actually show up in support of him, you switch off the camera to preserve the narrative?
lhopki01 10y ago
What half? 19% of people in the US voted for Trump.
- taneq 10y ago
  What? How did he get elected then?
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    Lots of people don't vote.
  - robotresearcher 10y ago
    Only about half of eligible voters voted. Of those, slightly more voted Democrat than Republican, and a distant few voted for someone else. Despite getting the second-most votes nationally, the geographic distribution of the Republican votes gained them quite a few more "electoral college votes" (i.e. winning points) than the Democrats. The electoral college system gives more power to the countryside than the cities, proportional to the population.
  - lhopki01 10y ago
    US population: 324,420,000 Number who voted for Trump: 62,985,106 Trump won 57% of the Electoral College, 46% of those who voted, 25% of the voting age population and 19% of the population as a whole. That's not half the US population.
accountface 10y ago
It literally says "will not divide" and you're here making a comment that specifically divides. I guess the flag really is wrong.
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- nimchimpsky 10y ago
  but it also says "he". it is obviously against trump/republicans. Its a political statement He can make it, but others can disagree, thats beauty of free speech. I think trump is an imbecile, but denying his supporters free speech as you are doing, is exactly why he is popular.
- nimchimpsky 10y ago
  but it also says "he". it is obviously against trump/republicans. Its a political statement He can make it, but others can disagree, that is the beauty of free speech. I think trump is an imbecile, but denying his supporters free speech as you are doing, is exactly why he is popular.
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69mlgsniperdad 10y ago
I don't think anywhere near half the country wants to be lumped into a generalization with the people yelling into that camera. Check out some of the footage on youtube.. I'm pretty sure Shia was arrested for assaulting someone who was 'memeing' the camera as well; setting the maturity bar high... It's those same people on that camera who are the ones terrorizing the streets, tearing down/burning free speech signs and assaulting those with differing views. Anyone who actually thinks that those folks are the ones denying free speech are entirely deluded. Commence down-voting.
- beaconstudios 10y ago
  are you suggesting it's /pol/-type Trump supporters burning free speech signs, or am I misreading your comment? Because it's antifa members and black-bloc anarchists that are doing that.
  - 69mlgsniperdad 10y ago
    No, should've made it more clear apparently. I'm referring to the 'antifa' members (who are massively overrepresented) by msm; same misrepresentation/oversampling and 'echo chamber' that led to the massive Trump 'suprise.' I'm only suggesting the comment I responded to, which I agree with ignored even more then just half the population not almost half.
    - beaconstudios 10y ago
      ah gotcha. Yeah I don't think the majority of non-Trump-supporters would have anything positive to say about the rioters. It's horseshoe theory in action - there are 2 kinds of fascist; fascists and anti-fascists.

hackuser 10y ago

> excludes almost half of the US population It does not. They are free and encouraged to join in (AFAIK). Those who embrace racial and religious discrimination, of course, might not choose the join, as the message contradicts their beliefs. But that is an old issue and red herring, the paradox of tolerance. Tolerate everyone but the intolerant, who are parasites on the social contract of tolerance.

mohanmcgeek 10y ago
"he will not divide us" means that you're saying he's trying to divide you. So, you're making a claim about someone without backing it, and when people actually show up in support of him, you switch off the camera to preserve the narrative?

lhopki01 10y ago

What half? 19% of people in the US voted for Trump.

taneq 10y ago
What? How did he get elected then?
- maxerickson 10y ago
  Lots of people don't vote.
- robotresearcher 10y ago
  Only about half of eligible voters voted. Of those, slightly more voted Democrat than Republican, and a distant few voted for someone else. Despite getting the second-most votes nationally, the geographic distribution of the Republican votes gained them quite a few more "electoral college votes" (i.e. winning points) than the Democrats. The electoral college system gives more power to the countryside than the cities, proportional to the population.
- lhopki01 10y ago
  US population: 324,420,000 Number who voted for Trump: 62,985,106 Trump won 57% of the Electoral College, 46% of those who voted, 25% of the voting age population and 19% of the population as a whole. That's not half the US population.

accountface 10y ago

It literally says "will not divide" and you're here making a comment that specifically divides. I guess the flag really is wrong.

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nimchimpsky 10y ago
but it also says "he". it is obviously against trump/republicans. Its a political statement He can make it, but others can disagree, thats beauty of free speech. I think trump is an imbecile, but denying his supporters free speech as you are doing, is exactly why he is popular.
nimchimpsky 10y ago
but it also says "he". it is obviously against trump/republicans. Its a political statement He can make it, but others can disagree, that is the beauty of free speech. I think trump is an imbecile, but denying his supporters free speech as you are doing, is exactly why he is popular.
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69mlgsniperdad 10y ago

I don't think anywhere near half the country wants to be lumped into a generalization with the people yelling into that camera. Check out some of the footage on youtube.. I'm pretty sure Shia was arrested for assaulting someone who was 'memeing' the camera as well; setting the maturity bar high... It's those same people on that camera who are the ones terrorizing the streets, tearing down/burning free speech signs and assaulting those with differing views. Anyone who actually thinks that those folks are the ones denying free speech are entirely deluded. Commence down-voting.

beaconstudios 10y ago
are you suggesting it's /pol/-type Trump supporters burning free speech signs, or am I misreading your comment? Because it's antifa members and black-bloc anarchists that are doing that.
- 69mlgsniperdad 10y ago
  No, should've made it more clear apparently. I'm referring to the 'antifa' members (who are massively overrepresented) by msm; same misrepresentation/oversampling and 'echo chamber' that led to the massive Trump 'suprise.' I'm only suggesting the comment I responded to, which I agree with ignored even more then just half the population not almost half.
  - beaconstudios 10y ago
    ah gotcha. Yeah I don't think the majority of non-Trump-supporters would have anything positive to say about the rioters. It's horseshoe theory in action - there are 2 kinds of fascist; fascists and anti-fascists.